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As far as the class action waiver goes, the supreme court has looked it over, and deemed it to be legal.
As for ownership being clear, how is this:
You don't own the games. You have never owned the games. You will never own the games.
All you buy is the right to play them under certain conditions, break those conditions and your right to play is forfeit.
Think of it like renting a flat. You pay money to live there based on certain conditions. You break the rules (e.g. trash the place) and you get evicted.

I said I already understood lol You make it sound like I dont understand =/

What I am saying, and as others have and you even agreed to, is that it should obviously not be like this.

The lines are too Grey. What's mine, Should be Mine,

And I Completely agree with the statement, if I am Buying License to play the game, then it should be properly Labeled as so.

Also Im not so sure I believe in your suggestion that it is like Renting an apartment. That one just doesnt fit the setting right.
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I got aggravated at the original response by the Steam admin in the OP. Just seemed like a really flippant and disrespectful response to a legitimate question of what if? That guy could have responded in a much more customer friendly way....

I know, right? It's like the responder didn't even read the question and just started passively-aggresively threatening the questioner with canceling his account for EVEN questioning steam's almighty rule over him. In no way did he even acknowledge his question. I thought I was the only one who noticed this. Going through this massive thread all I've seen is e-lawyer after e-lawyer. I might have to hire one of these guys when I go up against steam wink.gif

My two thoughts on this issue: 1. Paying money for software shouldn't be considered a lease and the paying customer should legally have more tangible rights over software, otherwise software companies get too cocky and feel like they can do whatever they want since they already got their money from you. Not steams fault on this one. Consumer/software rights has been going on for a while now. 2. While I'm not currently too upset about the new EULA I agreed with for using steam I feel this is a slippery slope and we'll continue to see more aggressive consumer-unfriendly agreements in the future, from steam and the entire software industry as a whole. They will continue to test new grounds to see what they can get away with to maximize profits and that is the bottom line.
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I think most people are missing the point. It's not that they don't want to agree or disagree, it's that the option isn't really an option and if you choose to disagree you get a ok!... but tough titties playing the games you paid for or any compensation for that matter.
Also all you physical copy advocates obviously haven't paid for a game recently becasue 90% of physical copies have things like steam works built right into them.
It is a sleezy move period, Steam is slowly transforming into the thing they said they wouldn't. People need to get angry for anything to be done about it otherwise we will end up with 5 different version of the same service.
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I think most people are missing the point. It's not that they don't want to agree or disagree, it's that the option isn't really an option and if you choose to disagree you get a ok!... but tough titties playing the games you paid for or any compensation for that matter.
Also all you physical copy advocates obviously haven't paid for a game recently becasue 90% of physical copies have things like steam works built right into them.
It is a sleezy move period, Steam is slowly transforming into the thing they said they wouldn't. People need to get angry for anything to be done about it otherwise we will end up with 5 different version of the same service.

You're dead right, and i'm one of those Hard Copy advocates. Not because they sometimes don't require steam/origin etc, but because i get more for my money. I Get something real for the money i fork over, and i have more to show for it.

What gets me are Valve fanboys (or fanboys in general) who don't realize that they are a company, and ultimately they'll need to put their interests/money before the consumer. No company can be trusted and eventually, they will slip up if they can't strike a fair compromise.

Steam's good, it competed well with Piracy by offering a service that had some great goodies, that's why they're successful. But you wait till Valve hits any financial difficulties or has to close down. Every game you've purchased on loan will be lost unless people pressure these companies to put in measures to prevent it.
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I got a question, I see a lot of you say you shouldn't have went through steam then etc. Would this still apply to a game like skyrim were I own a hard copy but it required me to use steam anywayse? If so that blows, I had absolutely no interest in using steam and I only have it on my PC because Skyrim required it.
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I got a question, I see a lot of you say you shouldn't have went through steam then etc. Would this still apply to a game like skyrim were I own a hard copy but it required me to use steam anywayse? If so that blows, I had absolutely no interest in using steam and I only have it on my PC because Skyrim required it.

Yeah, I would say that it would apply. I assume you still have to log into steam to play the game so that makes you a Steam user. Probably was no difference between buying the game on steam or buying retail...save for the retail copy probably had a nicely printed world map in it on glossy paper. A Steam customer would have had to take a flash drive to a printing shop to get that.


Though I have to ask...has this "by agreeing to these terms you can't sue us" ever held up? An ELUA does not supersede a person's right to defend them selves in court.

I suppose this just gives them the ability to shut off your account if you sue them without repercussions since the end user would know about it a head of time. However, if you were that far in that you actually had legal action going against Valve...playing your Steam games would probably be the last thing on your mind.
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This is what happens when we all go cloud, this whole movement to cloud is a problem and i hate it because A. I know cloud is not secure and im gonna read the news one day and read of some big cloud hacking scandal. And two when you physically detach all your stuff and put it in the cloud you own nothing. I hate the cloud! (steam being a cloud service basically and everything is moving to cloud slowly eventually you will have a computer that is on the cloud and you won't even physically have one in your house want to upgrade it well purchase cloud upgrades and it will be upgraded but it will be sitting in a data center in Los Angeles instead of your house.
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This is what happens when we all go cloud, this whole movement to cloud is a problem and i hate it because A. I know cloud is not secure and im gonna read the news one day and read of some big cloud hacking scandal. And two when you physically detach all your stuff and put it in the cloud you own nothing. I hate the cloud! (steam being a cloud service basically and everything is moving to cloud slowly eventually you will have a computer that is on the cloud and you won't even physically have one in your house want to upgrade it well purchase cloud upgrades and it will be upgraded but it will be sitting in a data center in Los Angeles instead of your house.

It's no different to banks really. It's just an excuse to further regulate and control peoples wealth and take away liberties/ freedoms, just so these people can further line their pockets.

Cloud computing and online distribution are the main things i've tried my best to keep well away from, because i know it'll lead to the loss of my rights eventually.
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This is what happens when we all go cloud, this whole movement to cloud is a problem and i hate it because A. I know cloud is not secure and im gonna read the news one day and read of some big cloud hacking scandal. And two when you physically detach all your stuff and put it in the cloud you own nothing. I hate the cloud! (steam being a cloud service basically and everything is moving to cloud slowly eventually you will have a computer that is on the cloud and you won't even physically have one in your house want to upgrade it well purchase cloud upgrades and it will be upgraded but it will be sitting in a data center in Los Angeles instead of your house.

I too dislike the idea of cloud based storage...though I think Steam is a very far cry from cloud based storage. They just have copies of install files for you to download. By that definition anything on the web that you can download a file from is cloud.

The dooms day cloud based storage will never happen...you will never be forced into it. For that to happen all I/O ports on a motherboard would have to be locked up or removed and nearly every hard drive/SSD/flash drive manufacturer would have to go out of business. That just won't happen...not with in any one's life time on this forum anyway.
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I too dislike the idea of cloud based storage...though I think Steam is a very far cry from cloud based storage. They just have copies of install files for you to download. By that definition anything on the web that you can download a file from is cloud.
The dooms day cloud based storage will never happen...you will never be forced into it. For that to happen all I/O ports on a motherboard would have to be locked up or removed and nearly every hard drive/SSD/flash drive manufacturer would have to go out of business. That just won't happen...not with in any one's life time on this forum anyway.

They also hold your licenses. Which could be taken as the same as cloud servers. You bring the cloud services terms, they'll cut you off, your files will forever be lost on their servers. Same thing could be taken here basically. You're allowing Steam/Valve to hold your keys for you in on unified server with a client that allows direct access from anywhere in the world, you break their terms or disagree with them, and you are then cut from their service. Losing any licenses, save games, or anything else they store on their servers associated with your account.
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