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A lot of you guys already support online DRM. You use Windows XP, Vista, and 7. Same with Office. It does not matter if it is a hard copy or digital copy. Microsoft can invalidate your key at any time.
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So...
take the hit of losing thousands of dollars worth of services(games) and get a good lawyer and just take valve to court (not class-action).
....right?
And steam has never been trusted by me, they are out to protect their bottom line first and foremost, and so far it has just happened to include taking care of the customer, but that can change anytime.
Holy Valve, o so Holy wink.gif.
I buy nothing on steam that I cannot afford to lose, just in case, and only really(!!!) good sales.

You can still take Valve to small claims court without losing your games. Arbitration isn't your only option.
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You can still take Valve to small claims court without losing your games. Arbitration isn't your only option.

I did not know you could take them to small claims, thanks smile.gif.
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A lot of you guys already support online DRM. You use Windows XP, Vista, and 7. Same with Office. It does not matter if it is a hard copy or digital copy. Microsoft can invalidate your key at any time.

Curveball to all the DRM haters out there. Their own system is based around DRM. Quick install Linux now! smile.gif
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The only flaw in this line of thinking is the lawsuit must be successful in order for anything to happen. Otherwise, Valve will lock out access to the account in question, and there will be no recourse. It is a service. No physical goods are involved. If you sue and the suit fails, you've violated their ToS, so they owe you nothing.
The whole thing sounds like a massive gamble... one in which I will never be willing to chance. I have no problem with Valve and the way they do business. Until that changes, I have no reason to stop giving them money for the chance to play games that they offer.

Is it not strange to trust a company who updates their user agreement with this? I've never understood the steam love on OCN who claim they hate drm. If this latest move doesn't turn any opinions then this is truly unconditional love.
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Curveball to all the DRM haters out there. Their own system is based around DRM. Quick install Linux now! smile.gif

I don't think it is a secret that windows uses drm. To my knowledge they have never updated their terms of service to the likes of what steam has just done. I also don't buy windows anything nor do I pirate. Windows 7 was giving to me from the party. I'm actually planning on ending my relationship with windows after 7 and saying hello to Linux. I heard she is a little more open minded.
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A lot of you guys already support online DRM. You use Windows XP, Vista, and 7. Same with Office. It does not matter if it is a hard copy or digital copy. Microsoft can invalidate your key at any time.

Only difference is that after activating these products, we are free to use them as long as our computers will boot.

With Steam type DRM, not only do we have the typical DRM "worries" you link with Windows activation type DRM, but your use of the products also depends on your internet reliability, the third party's server reliability and whether you made sure to sign into offline mode at least once in case your internet ever randomly dies for any great period of time so that you can actually use offline mode.

Also, things like Windows, AN application or A game are singular. If MS decide they're going to kill my windows key, I don't need to somehow crack 50 games.


With the other type of DRM, all they need do is remove your account from their registers and tens/hundreds of pieces of individual/unrelated software are immediately no longer legally accessible to you (without paying for them or cracking them, which is impossible for online bound apps/games).
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 8/9/12 at 9:29am
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I don't think it is a secret that windows uses drm. To my knowledge they have never updated their terms of service to the likes of what steam has just done. I also don't buy windows anything nor do I pirate. Windows 7 was giving to me from the party. I'm actually planning on ending my relationship with windows after 7 and saying hello to Linux. I heard she is a little more open minded.

I read the whole of Windows ToS and other agreements once, it was amazing. You'd honestly be surprised what you can find in there.

Linux is much more open minded. You can truly make it 'yours' in basically every way shape or form with little knowledge of the operating system. And of course the possiblities are endless when you get deeper into it. While not perfect, is a decent daily driver as long as you have at least some patience ( depending on hardware, most may work out of the box, some though... take a bit of tweaking to get working ( mainly sound cards these days )).
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This is all fine and dandy but who the hell has enough money to pursue a battle with Steam in court. They remove access how will the regular joe get it reversed?
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Originally Posted by GrizzleBoy View Post

Only difference is that after activating these products, we are free to use them as long as our computers will boot.
With Steam type DRM, not only do we have the typical DRM "worries" you link with Windows activation type DRM, but your use of the products also depends on your internet reliability, the third party's server reliability and whether you made sure to sign into offline mode at least once in case your internet ever randomly dies for any great period of time so that you can actually use offline mode.
Also, things like Windows, AN application or A game are singular. If MS decide they're going to kill my windows key, I don't need to somehow crack 50 games.
With the other type of DRM, all they need do is remove your account from their registers and tens/hundreds of pieces of individual/unrelated software are immediately no longer legally accessible to you (without paying for them or cracking them, which is impossible for online bound apps/games).

Yep, and this is why I have purposely avoided sinking hundreds of dollars into Steam games. I only buy when they are heavily discounted during a sale. I don't buy Steam games at $60, and it's a tough sell at $30.

On the other hand, Minecraft (completely DRM-free) I forked over the $30 for several friends and myself, and had absolutely no second thoughts about doing so.
post #390 of 465
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A lot of you guys already support online DRM. You use Windows XP, Vista, and 7. Same with Office. It does not matter if it is a hard copy or digital copy. Microsoft can invalidate your key at any time.

you are missing the point here, the point here is, if you disagree to the new terms steam will disable the service and will take away all the the softwares/games that you already purchased.

if microsoft invalidates your windows key, are they also going to invalidates all the software installed? like microsoft office, photoshop, etc?

if you have lots of xbox games, and somehow got your machine banned/disabled by microsoft, your games are still yours, just buy another machine and all of it are still playable.

this thread isn't about lawsuits, etc. this thread is about steam closing your account and taking away all the games/licenses that you already purchased if you don't agree to the new terms
Edited by ghostrider85 - 8/9/12 at 4:29pm
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