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Originally Posted by ghostrider85 View Post

yes, but then again, they can't LEGALLY change the terms while it's in effect, even if it says that they can do so.
once you pay for the game in the cashier that means you agreed to the terms and is now effective.
i agreed to the initial terms when i purchased the game, i should not have to agree to their future revised terms to continue playing my game, unless if the game is pay per use.
i already have the game, agreed to the initial terms, paid for it, the deal is now closed, there should be no future interaction required as the game is sold already.

See here you are right and wrong. If i sign a contract with you then yes you cannot change it drastically even if I include a clause to change at anytime. You however are saying the valve TOS is a contract in that sense but its not. Its a terms of service for a non paid service at that which legally is very different.

Now I agree with you 100 percent that it is bull that you cannot keep your games offline and I wish they would allow you too, i think they should allow you to cancel your service and Have a one time window of say 48 hours to download your library and use it offline. Now i think this is what they should do but I also support their clause becuase i think it is reasonable and in no way stops me from using my rights to take legal action against them.

In addition after re reading your post. The terms you agree to when you purchase the liscense are different from the one you agree to use steam that is the catch. When you purchase the game you agree to follow steams service rules which change. I understand your concerns but legally they are correct.
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See here you are right and wrong. If i sign a contract with you then yes you cannot change it drastically even if I include a clause to change at anytime. You however are saying the valve TOS is a contract in that sense but its not. Its a terms of service for a non paid service at that which legally is very different.
Now I agree with you 100 percent that it is bull that you cannot keep your games offline and I wish they would allow you too, i think they should allow you to cancel your service and Have a one time window of say 48 hours to download your library and use it offline. Now i think this is what they should do but I also support their clause becuase i think it is reasonable and in no way stops me from using my rights to take legal action against them.
In addition after re reading your post. The terms you agree to when you purchase the liscense are different from the one you agree to use steam that is the catch. When you purchase the game you agree to follow steams service rules which change. I understand your concerns but legally they are correct.

we all know that the "service" we are talking about here is nothing more than a marketplace. you purchase a game and that's it.

l think that when they desire to ban you from their service which is the marketplace, you should be able to keep the LICENSES which you already paid for.
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Ghost i will give you that you have a point since you cannot play them even if you still have the on your harddrive. The legal isssue that protects them is that your buying a liscense to use the game through their service.
I also don't get why people think its such a bad thing that in order to keep you account and sue valve is to go through arbitration. Against a big company thats not a million dollar law suit it is the way to go. Arbitration favors the little guytgyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ,
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I'm leaving in that horrible spelled word becuase it was my cats work and she is the devil. never go against her.

i don't really care about lawsuits, arbitration, etc. my concern here is about steam forcing us to agree with their new TOS, i just hate the idea of the consumers having no choice but to agree, otherwise you will lose the games that you already paid for.
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true but it's steam so everyone will bend over and take it biggrin.gif
This is no different than installing a game from disc if you do not agree with the EULA the game does not install. Same here if you do not agree you do not play simple as that. As far as I see it if you do not agree they should have every wright to delete your account with no refunds what so ever.
 
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This is no different than installing a game from disc if you do not agree with the EULA the game does not install. Same here if you do not agree you do not play simple as that. As far as I see it if you do not agree they should have every wright to delete your account with no refunds what so ever.

this is different. you don't buy the game disc if you don't agree with the eula, purchasing the game disc means you agree with the eula. once you agree with it and paid for it, the game is yours to keep, no more future eula that you have to agree with.
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this is different. you don't buy the game disc if you don't agree with the eula, purchasing the game disc means you agree with the eula. once you agree with it and paid for it, the game is yours to keep, no more future eula that you have to agree with.

Unless it's a steamworks/ea/ubi game thumb.gif

They says of the unlimited use CD key are long gone.
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this is different. you don't buy the game disc if you don't agree with the eula, purchasing the game disc means you agree with the eula. once you agree with it and paid for it, the game is yours to keep, no more future eula that you have to agree with.

Even after you pay for it you have to abide and fully agree to the eula. Not out fault you can't read it to understand that. Anytime a game has a major update you'r elikely to have to agree to another terms.
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This is no different than installing a game from disc if you do not agree with the EULA the game does not install. Same here if you do not agree you do not play simple as that. As far as I see it if you do not agree they should have every wright to delete your account with no refunds what so ever.

No. This is like buying a game, agreeing to EULA, then playing it as intended. Then a new contract is released and if you don't agree, then your game is taken and you are not given a refund. Very different scenario.
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we all know that the "service" we are talking about here is nothing more than a marketplace. you purchase a game and that's it.
l think that when they desire to ban you from their service which is the marketplace, you should be able to keep the LICENSES which you already paid for.

Agreed.
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There are no cults on OCN.
The only thing that comes close is my chocolate army. But that's another story.
OT: Are there any other distributers doing this as well?

Folders > your chocolate Army. wink.gif
  
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