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Kinda hard when games that i like, force it on me to use steam

Can you post the video on youtube next time a game "forces" you to play it?
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You physically own a car.
You physically own your bed
Your house
Your TV
Your PS3
It's all physical goods.
Digital goods are a different ballgame all together. You "OWN" an account, and on that account, you can pay for the right to play games. Those games are technically stored on a data server in some data center, and you can download it to any computer that has access to your Steam account. You do not "OWN" the data on that server, nor do you own the server, nor do you own the pipe that allows you to download the games. All of it is achieved through services.
If you don't like it, don't buy it. Pretty simple.


Roflmao.

There are no digital goods that you own that are not comparable to the physical?

Off the top of my head, hmm stocks?

You own the stocks you buy?
You own the money in your 401k?


This is folly to argue for the loss of consumer rights. This is the height of contrarianism?
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You own the stocks you buy?
You own the money in your 401k?

Those are digital media?

LOL you have no idea what you are talking about. I would explain it but you still wouldn't get it.
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Roflmao.
There are no digital goods that you own that are not comparable to the physical?
Off the top of my head, hmm stocks?
You own the stocks you buy?
You own the money in your 401k?
This is folly to argue for the loss of consumer rights. This is the height of contrarianism?

You're comparing something that has very REAL and FLUCTUATING monetary value to something that is a product of a company?

Nice try, but it doesn't work that way. Excuse me while I go play with my 401k. Hope the mean old stock broker doesn't decide to close my account because I don't agree to their terms of service.
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Those are digital media?


The guy in your sig, he would agree that even Aliens wouldn't pull a fast one like this, lol.
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Hasn't everyone picked up on the fact that all these TOS', End User Agreements, etc. that we agree to are not lawful binding contracts? If the contract breaks any actual laws by whatever means or way it is basically invalid. As was mentioned, if this actually went to court the consumer would undoubtedly be protected. tongue.gif
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I wonder, in the future, when we are born, if we have to sign a binding TOS agreement with the person who brought us into the world. Now that would be lame.


Least they are giving you a simple choice, play our games, or walk away.
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Originally Posted by Mad Pistol View Post

You physically own a car.
You physically own your bed
Your house
Your TV
Your PS3
It's all physical goods.
Digital goods are a different ballgame all together. You "OWN" an account, and on that account, you can pay for the right to play games. Those games are technically stored on a data server in some data center, and you can download it to any computer that has access to your Steam account. You do not "OWN" the data on that server, nor do you own the server, nor do you own the pipe that allows you to download the games. All of it is achieved through services.
If you don't like it, don't buy it. Pretty simple.


well, i already bought those games before that new TERMS came up, i don't agree with the new terms,

the fact is, you paid for that game to play for unlimited time, it's basically yours to play forever, if they gonna take it away they should give my money back.
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Hasn't anyone picked up on the fact that all these TOS', End User Agreements, etc. that we agree to are not lawful binding contracts? If the contract breaks any actual laws by whatever means or way it is basically invalid. As was mentioned, if this actually went to court the consumer would undoubtedly be protected. tongue.gif


Amen to that. Forcing this thru duress, yea smart move.

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The ToS change most likely wouldn't hold up in court because the agreement to changes are made under duress. Blackmailing someone to agree to a contract or to changes in prior purchase agreements is a no-no.
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Earlier this month Valve updated the Steam subscriber agreement to include language that prevents customers with disputes from filing lawsuits against the company, and instead forces them to agree to the decisions of a Valve-paid-for “independent” arbitrator.

Why the scare quotes? rolleyes.gif

Independent arbitration is very common(and becomes more so with the decline of your court system).
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