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8/7/12 at 10:58pm
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They can't change the terms of the extended warranty after you pay for it. THAT is exactly the point I was trying to make... thanks for your help.

You physically sign a contract agreeing to the terms. Technically, they could put a clause in there that says they can change the terms at any time. Most warranties even give very strict guidelines that tell you what is and is not covered, and if the product is even one iota outside of those guidelines, the contract fails, and you don't get a refund. It's less about the terms, and more about the numbers, and the numbers are ALWAYS on their side.

Seriously, why do you persist? It's still a legally binding document, and there are TONS of restrictions on every service out there. Just take a moment and read the fine print from your ISP's ToS. It really makes you appreciate how nice Valve is to their customers.
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Yea, but that's not how a "service" works.
What you just described is a "product", and Steam is a "service." Technically, Valve owes you nothing if they decide to close your account. Then again, they're not going to close your account because to do so means they keep you from spending any more money with them in the future.
There's a lot of paranoia flying around in this thread. Have any of you stopped to consider that perhaps the pros of keeping an account active outweigh the cons associated with closing and locking an account? This isn't rocket science. The whole thing is quite logical, actually.
And as another wise person said earlier in this thread, no one is forcing you to use their service. If you don't like it, stop giving them money. Believe it or not, it is in fact that simple.

steam is a service, games are products, the steam is free, i paid for the games, i should be able to keep those games as long as i wan't, they can take it away but they have to give my money back because i paid for those products, not steam service.

they will gonna close my account if i don't agree to the new terms, that's a fact. if you don't click that I AGREE BUTTON, you can no longer play those games that you have paid for.

i like it at first because the old terms which i agreed with, that's why i used it and bought games. now i will stop giving them money because i don't agree with their new terms, but i should be able to keep my old games because i gave them money already for those games.
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The ToS change most likely wouldn't hold up in court because the agreement to changes are made under duress. Blackmailing someone to agree to a contract or to changes in prior purchase agreements is a no-no.

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8/7/12 at 11:00pm
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You physically sign a contract agreeing to the terms. Technically, they could put a clause in there that says they can change the terms at any time. Most warranties even give very strict guidelines that tell you what is and is not covered, and if the product is even one iota outside of those guidelines, the contract fails, and you don't get a refund.
Seriously, why do you persist? It's still a legally binding document, and there are TONS of restrictions on every service out there. Just take a moment and read the fine print on from your ISP. Those things are a really good read. It really makes you appreciate how nice Valve is to their customers.

You should stop trolling now. You're obviously a big fan of Steam (which is fine) but you haven't made a valid point in so many posts.
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8/7/12 at 11:00pm
I think it's time for me to uninstall Steam from my computer! Steam's getting cocky recently.
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8/7/12 at 11:00pm
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Seriously, why do you persist? It's still a legally binding document, and there are TONS of restrictions on every service out there.

Just because they write it in there doesn't necessarily make it legally binding...Whether I signed it or not. Why do you persist?
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8/7/12 at 11:01pm
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Lots and lots of fail in this thread.

There is nothing at all to stop you from exercising your legal rights against Valve or any other company. All this "you can't sue us" stuff in the EULA means is that if you do sue them in such a way as you agreed not to then they have the right to cancel your service.

Don't like it? Tough. Let's take a quick look at the EULA:
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Valve may amend this Agreement (including any Subscription Terms or Rules of Use) at any time in its sole discretion. If Valve amends the Agreement, such amendment shall be effective thirty (30) days after your receiving notice of the amended Agreement, either via e-mail or as a notification within the Software.

That line, or one very similar, has been in every single EULA so far. There is no "bait and switch", they did not lure you in with false pretences, you agreed to be bound by a EULA that they could change at any time. The fact that you did not read or understand this in no way makes it Valve's fault.
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In the event that your Account or a particular Subscription is terminated or cancelled by Valve for a violation of this Agreement or improper or illegal activity, no refund, including of any Subscription fees, will be granted.

This line, or one very similar, has also been present in every single EULA so far. Again, you agreed to it in the first place. Again, not Valve's fault if you don't like it.
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Valve hereby grants, and you accept, a limited, terminable, non-exclusive license and right to use the Software for your personal use in accordance with this Agreement, including the Subscription Terms. The Software is licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Software

You don't own your games, at all. You have the right to play them as dictated by the EULA. This is true even if you have the physical media - you do not own the game. You bought the right to play it, that it all.
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You should stop trolling now. You're obviously a big fan of Steam (which is fine) but you haven't made a valid point in so many posts.

How high and mighty of you. Thanks for your input. thumb.gif
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Just because they write it in there doesn't necessarily make it legally binding...Whether I signed it or not. Why do you persist?

Wrong. If you signed it, you agreed to it. If you don't like it, you shouldn't have signed it.
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steam is a service, games are products, the steam is free, i paid for the games, i should be able to keep those games as long as i wan't, they can take it away but they have to give my money back because i paid for those products, not steam service.
they will gonna close my account if i don't agree to the new terms, that's a fact. if you don't click that I AGREE BUTTON, you can no longer play those games that you have paid for.
i like it at first because the old terms which i agreed with, that's why i used it and bought games. now i will stop giving them money because i don't agree with their new terms, but i should be able to keep my old games because i gave them money already for those games.

You realize right to trial is a 7th Amendment right correct? And you think it's legal and fair for them to force you to give up that right thru a TOS? And by force, obvious duress thru threat of loss of account equaling complete and total loss of all your purchases? Is that what you're saying? Cuz it sure sounds like it lol.
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8/7/12 at 11:07pm
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You realize right to trial is a 7th Amendment right correct? And you think it's legal and fair for them to force you to give up that right thru a TOS? And by force, obvious duress thru threat of loss of account equaling complete and total loss of all your purchases? Is that what you're saying? Cuz it sure sounds like it lol.

I still fail to see how loss of account = duress, especially since you never owned the account in the first place. You can't lose something you don't own.

Again, stop giving them money if you don't like it.
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