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Personally I find my chip must be a bad temp chip. The cores are like 7-9c difference from highest to lowest under load, and I'm using a 212+ on it and hitting above 90 on a core or two! This is with only 1.25+ and ultra LLC. I'm sure plenty of people can do 1.3 and not hit 90c
Well I'm doing that right now with 1.315vcore and hitting 89c max using a dh14
   
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Not very games/programs are like Prime95 where all your cores get maxed out. Usually a game/program doesn’t use all the cores so some will jump around more than others causing a lot of fluctuations in your reported speed.
Sorry if I keep asking questions and if it sounds dumb, but if I force my CPU to go at its maximum clock (4.2gHz for me) all the time (only while gaming of course), should I see an increase in performance or doesn't really matter?
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Personally I find my chip must be a bad temp chip. The cores are like 7-9c difference from highest to lowest under load, and I'm using a 212+ on it and hitting above 90 on a core or two! This is with only 1.25+ and ultra LLC. I'm sure plenty of people can do 1.3 and not hit 90c
My temps were with good case cooling, and an H100i at the time. Your 212+ isn’t up to the task of taking on the heat fury of this thing we call Ivy. Max temp differences of less than 10c between cores is fine. Even after delidding and applying TIM perfectly you will still have at least 4-6c differences.
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Well I'm doing that right now with 1.315vcore and hitting 89c max using a dh14
Off with its head!
Only if you really want to of course. Nothing is risk free.
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Sorry if I keep asking questions and if it sounds dumb, but if I force my CPU to go at its maximum clock (4.2gHz for me) all the time (only while gaming of course), should I see an increase in performance or doesn't really matter?
There are no dumb questions in this thread, ask away.
You will see no difference. If you disable Speedstep, go to fixed voltage vs. offset, and disable core parking you would see no difference in real life. Therefore there is no reason to do those things unless you are a max overclocker looking to get a little higher in some benchmark and even then it may or may not help.
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Well I'm doing that right now with 1.315vcore and hitting 89c max using a dh14

If I can keep it under 90c with 1.315v once I get my better cooler I'll be happy. I'm hoping I can do that because I figure then I'll be able to hit 4.8 or 4.9 stable, and for me under 90c is fine for now because games won't come close to pushing my cpu the way Prime95 does, I just want to get stable 12 hours with 4.8 to 5.0ghz under 90c with under 1.4v. Preferably less volts even. Not sure it'll be possible but if heat is the only issue and my CPU can clock well enough with low volts I'll likely delid it.

Edit: For reference, right now I had to up my offset to the higher of the two numbers I had based on the vcore minus VID math, and I'm mostly still staying at 1.272 under load and I'm getting 86-92-90-84 after 1.5 hours prime95 using 90% ram. I don't remember if I linked this thread earlier but as you can see from it the 212+ got wrecked by the other coolers:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1289884/finished-assassin-vs-nh-d14-vs-phanteks-vs-cm-v8-vs-hyper-612-vs-hyper-212

I'm hoping I get similar results to this guy but I'm not holding my breath wink.gif
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finally got around to overclocking my cpu - first time overclocking too. i followed this guide, going straight for a multiplier of 45 and voltage of 1.2. ran into zero issues after 8 hours of prime95 (would've been 12, but i woke up and couldn't go back to sleep with the jet engine running lol). i'm on a 3570k / asus p8z77-i deluxe / phanteks ph-tc14pe. throughout the testing, temps would bottom out in the low 70s and peak in the high 80s/low 90s which i thought was weird, but it's stable so whatever.

is there anything else i should try to do now? if it makes a difference, i keep my comp running nearly 24/7

also, is there any reason why it says to leave virtualization technology off? i occasionally run a vm so i'd rather leave it on if there isn't an issue with that
Edited by Zboy - 6/2/13 at 1:06pm
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There are chips out there with VID over 1.3, there are not a lot, but it is not very rare or anything. Chips with a high VID have a problem with offset and low overclocks. As Chunin posted it is not a problem with load voltge it is a problem with idle voltage. You would have such a negative offset that it causes problems.

If 1.15v is good for 4.2, then 1.27v or so is my guess for 4.4. Try that and see what the minimum vCore is you need for 4.4, then the offset math will not cause trouble at idle. It is not that the offset math doesn’t work for your 4.2, it is just that you were unlucky with a high VID which prevents the use of offset at low ocs. As TD posted, nothing wrong with manual for a low OC if you want to stay there.

Welcome to OCN by the way. Make sure your temps are ok before moving to higher voltages. Here is how to get your rig in your posts:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1258253/how-to-put-your-rig-in-your-sig

Here is what you want to read to get familiar with the site, number five would be of interest for Totally Dubbed’s useful videos, and our guide here in the first post.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1164692/overclock-net-site-features-and-explanations
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There are chips out there with VID over 1.3, there are not a lot, but it is not very rare or anything. Chips with a high VID have a problem with offset and low overclocks. As Chunin posted it is not a problem with load voltge it is a problem with idle voltage. You would have such a negative offset that it causes problems.

If 1.15v is good for 4.2, then 1.27v or so is my guess for 4.4. Try that and see what the minimum vCore is you need for 4.4, then the offset math will not cause trouble at idle. It is not that the offset math doesn’t work for your 4.2, it is just that you were unlucky with a high VID which prevents the use of offset at low ocs. As TD posted, nothing wrong with manual for a low OC if you want to stay there.

Welcome to OCN by the way. Make sure your temps are ok before moving to higher voltages. Here is how to get your rig in your posts:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1258253/how-to-put-your-rig-in-your-sig

Here is what you want to read to get familiar with the site, number five would be of interest for Totally Dubbed’s useful videos, and our guide here in the first post.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1164692/overclock-net-site-features-and-explanations

Thanks for the info, I have taken onboard what Dubbed said and I am keeping it on manual for now but I am going to move it upto 4.4 ghz in the next couple of days and see if I can get it stable using offset mode.

Cheers for the site info I will be looking into it!
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Thanks for the info, I have taken onboard what Dubbed said and I am keeping it on manual for now but I am going to move it upto 4.4 ghz in the next couple of days and see if I can get it stable using offset mode.

Cheers for the site info I will be looking into it!

might as well go for 4.5ghz bro - nice rounder number haha tongue.gif
Start from 1.25v @ 4.5ghz, and "move your way up" if needs be.

EDIT:
On another note - I'm completely baffled - a Guy PM'ed me on Youtube, and at first I thought he hadn't enabled a settings, however it seems as if his board is "locked"?
Anyone have any pointers?

Here is what he sent to me:
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Wassup totallydubbed,

So i wanted to OC my cpu to 4.5ghz but i have a slight problem. I cannot get to manual in the ai tweaker. Hear me out, i know it sounds really stupid i cannot do something so amazingly simple but when i go to my BioS then go to ai tweaker. There is only one option in the ai tweaker tab. And that is System Level up. When i click the dropdown thing it only shows like intel 3.8 blah blah, and there is no manual option.

I really need help in this as its been bothering me for a long time now and its really pissing me off.

I do have ai suite ii and the other **** that comes with it.I know that ai suite ii is **** but i just keep it. I have coretemp,cpu-z,prime95.

Sooo shd i uninstall ai suite ii?
How do i fix the prob in the BioS?[No manual option in ai tweaker]

mobo: p8z77-m Pro
Computer Model : asus rog cg 8480
2nd PM (Click to show)
ahhhh i dunno really,i can't/dunno how to change multi to 45.
I guess i could show you some screenshots of my bios.

[SCREENSHOTS:P]

Advanced\CPU Configuration.

http://prntscr.com/17xjc8

Ai Tweaker

http://prntscr.com/17xj9e

I really dont know XD

Edited by Totally Dubbed - 6/2/13 at 1:35pm
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EDIT:
On another note - I'm completely baffled - a Guy PM'ed me on Youtube, and at first I thought he hadn't enabled a settings, however it seems as if his board is "locked"?
Anyone have any pointers?

Here is what he sent to me:
PM (Click to show)
Wassup totallydubbed,

So i wanted to OC my cpu to 4.5ghz but i have a slight problem. I cannot get to manual in the ai tweaker. Hear me out, i know it sounds really stupid i cannot do something so amazingly simple but when i go to my BioS then go to ai tweaker. There is only one option in the ai tweaker tab. And that is System Level up. When i click the dropdown thing it only shows like intel 3.8 blah blah, and there is no manual option.

I really need help in this as its been bothering me for a long time now and its really pissing me off.

I do have ai suite ii and the other **** that comes with it.I know that ai suite ii is **** but i just keep it. I have coretemp,cpu-z,prime95.

Sooo shd i uninstall ai suite ii?
How do i fix the prob in the BioS?[No manual option in ai tweaker]

mobo: p8z77-m Pro
Computer Model : asus rog cg 8480
2nd PM (Click to show)
ahhhh i dunno really,i can't/dunno how to change multi to 45.
I guess i could show you some screenshots of my bios.

[SCREENSHOTS:P]

Advanced\CPU Configuration.

http://prntscr.com/17xjc8

Ai Tweaker

http://prntscr.com/17xj9e

I really dont know XD

I'm going to guess that it's because he bought an asus made PC so his board is locked.

Probably nothing he can do about that. Funny that anyone would put a 3770k in a board with locked firmware tho
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So i googled that motherboard and found a review with pictures of the BIOS and it looks normal: http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/1343294878BWI38mBtwq_3_3_l.gif

I didnt see he bought a prebuilt PC so googled that and this is what i got from the official Asus ROG site:

Instant 4-core CPU overclocking and DEFCON indicator

Dominate the battlefield with one-click Turbo Gear overclocking, which allows users to dynamically overclock the CG8480’s Intel® Core™ i7-3770K processor without the need to reboot. The CG8480 instantly overclocks its 4-core to three different modes, while the DEFCON indicator and bottom grill lighting shows system readiness with blue and red LED lights.



- Startup mode: ROG logo + bottom grill lights up blue, with the CPU overclocked to 3.8GHz

- Turbo Gear mode: ROG logo + bottom grill lights up red, with the CPU overclocked to 4.0GHz

- Turbo Gear extreme mode: ROG logo + bottom grill lights up red, with the CPU overclocked to 4.2GHz
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finally got around to overclocking my cpu - first time overclocking too. i followed this guide, going straight for a multiplier of 45 and voltage of 1.2. ran into zero issues after 8 hours of prime95 (would've been 12, but i woke up and couldn't go back to sleep with the jet engine running lol). i'm on a 3570k / asus p8z77-i deluxe / phanteks ph-tc14pe. throughout the testing, temps would bottom out in the low 70s and peak in the high 80s/low 90s which i thought was weird, but it's stable so whatever.

is there anything else i should try to do now? if it makes a difference, i keep my comp running nearly 24/7

also, is there any reason why it says to leave virtualization technology off? i occasionally run a vm so i'd rather leave it on if there isn't an issue with that
Careful of the temps, getting into the 90s is a little high.

Is 1.2v the only thing you tried? If so you would want to find the lowest vCore you can for whatever multiplier you are trying to get stable. It takes a really good chip, but they can do 4.5 for lower than 1.2v. After finding the lowest vCore we usually switch to offset voltage.

There are some things, per Swag our guide creator, which virtualization can conflict with so he has it recommended as disabled. You can, of course, enable it and see if that causes any problems. Most don’t use/need it so that is why it shows enabled, but no reason you can’t try with it enabled.
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