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Being a 680 owner could you give me a ballpark on the performance drop I would get opting for a 670(as in fps not so much percentages)? It's a x4 =/, would it in turn be more cost effective to stick with my current motherboard and go with a gtx 690 than it would be 670sli + motherboard?

That's what I recommended in one of my first posts lol.. (grabbing 690/7990 and keeping current mobo)
     
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i would say go with the 3930k with a rampage 4 mobo and nvidia video cards, maybe a pair of 680 4GB cards. the i5 would still be great for gaming but if you are looking for a folding machine, more threads will help and the nvidia cards are much better at folding than amd cards.
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So I think I may have decided on either a 670sli or a 690 if I can get one on ebay for a decent price, but what do you think about the rest of the build?
I'm looking for aircooling so will the NZXT Switch 810 with a Noctua NH-D14 for cpu work for that?
Will the ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 LGA 1155 Intel be a good motherboard for the gtx 690 or an sli setup and will my i5-2500k suffice when overclocked?
Is the Crossover monitor the best (price/performance) 2560x1440?
Is 8gb of Corsair Vengence 1600Mhz ram enough or do I need 12-16gb or ram with faster clocks?
If you have any better recommendations for those I'd appreciate it. Thanks for all the responses and help as well.

Not sure how you got talked into SLI 670's. I would definitely recommend 7970's as they are often 20% better and scale better at higher resolutions (which you will be using). They can he had for around 430 from newegg (such as the HIS ICEQ one),

The sabertooth is a great board that lots of people love, although I think you could squeeze an OC out of your current Asus, but I can understand Sata3 being a big draw so the sabertooth is an ok investment.l

I personally plan on buying a crossover over the other korean monitors in the next month due to the significantly nicer build quality, although there are two caveats to that: 1) The dell 2713HM is coming out soon and may be at a decent price point for an actually warrantied product. 2) You have to make sure that the seller from whom you buy your crossover sends it with a 110v power brick. Some sellers are shipping them with 220v bricks.

8gb of ram is plenty. If you don't feel confident about that, load up as many programs as you regularly use on your current computer, go to the task manager>performance tab and see how much of your physical memory you are using. In most cases it's tough to cross 6gb for a standard user. However, corsair vengeance memory has lately become a bit of a joke, and although it looks pretty with those heatspreaders, it's basically ordinary ram clocked at 1600. Many forum users will recommend samsung ram (no heatspreaders but overclocks past 2k easily) or Gskill ripjaws which looks pretty and OC's decently
 
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Not sure how you got talked into SLI 670's. I would definitely recommend 7970's as they are often 20% better and scale better at higher resolutions (which you will be using). They can he had for around 430 from newegg (such as the HIS ICEQ one),
The sabertooth is a great board that lots of people love, although I think you could squeeze an OC out of your current Asus, but I can understand Sata3 being a big draw so the sabertooth is an ok investment.l
I personally plan on buying a crossover over the other korean monitors in the next month due to the significantly nicer build quality, although there are two caveats to that: 1) The dell 2713HM is coming out soon and may be at a decent price point for an actually warrantied product. 2) You have to make sure that the seller from whom you buy your crossover sends it with a 110v power brick. Some sellers are shipping them with 220v bricks.
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I didn't so much get talked into it I'm more or less looking at Nvidia over AMD due to quality. I also want something that isn't going to necessarily sound like a jet engine with the heat and electricity bill climbing significantly. The issue with staying with my current motherboard is that limits me to either a 7970/670/680 or gtx690 the 690 obviously having more performance for a single card. If I switch motherboards then it comes down to if I should go for a LGA 2011 board or stick to 1155 which will become obsolete. The reason why I was looking at 4gb 670s in sli was because they were similarly priced as 7970's I'm just not sure the performance difference and power/heat etc is worth it or not. Thanks for the response as well.
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I didn't so much get talked into it I'm more or less looking at Nvidia over AMD due to quality. I also want something that isn't going to necessarily sound like a jet engine with the heat and electricity bill climbing significantly. The issue with staying with my current motherboard is that limits me to either a 7970/670/680 or gtx690 the 690 obviously having more performance for a single card. If I switch motherboards then it comes down to if I should go for a LGA 2011 board or stick to 1155 which will become obsolete. The reason why I was looking at 4gb 670s in sli was because they were similarly priced as 7970's I'm just not sure the performance difference and power/heat etc is worth it or not. Thanks for the response as well.

I can't say for certain, because I don't own a 7000 series card (although I guess my 6990 is the worst of the worst in terms of power and heat) but the 7000 series hasn't had issues with power and heat relative to the 6000 and series from AMD and the 400 series from Nvidia. If heat concerns you, then grab a card with an aftermarket cooler such as the HIS ICEQ I mentioned. The 7970 just seems to me to be a MUCH better deal than any nvidia card on the market right now.

The 2500k is as good for gaming as the 3930k as additional cores/threads don't help games. Basically, I would recommend:

Sabertooth motherboard for extra PCIe slots and oc headroom
Noctua cooler for ocing the 2500k to 4.5 or so ghz
a single 7970
Crossover monitor

If the single 7970 doesn't cut it then add a second one, but even one will probably be ok. To put into perspective how good a single 7970 is, here is the anandbench page for your 6950 vs a 7970-- the 7970 is about twice as good in everything:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/510?vs=508

so if twice as much gpu power doesn't cut it, then you can just toss in another 7970 for about 4x power, since Crossfire scales almost 100% for dual cards XD
 
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I can't say for certain, because I don't own a 7000 series card (although I guess my 6990 is the worst of the worst in terms of power and heat) but the 7000 series hasn't had issues with power and heat relative to the 6000 and series from AMD and the 400 series from Nvidia. If heat concerns you, then grab a card with an aftermarket cooler such as the HIS ICEQ I mentioned. The 7970 just seems to me to be a MUCH better deal than any nvidia card on the market right now.
The 2500k is as good for gaming as the 3930k as additional cores/threads don't help games. Basically, I would recommend:
Sabertooth motherboard for extra PCIe slots and oc headroom
Noctua cooler for ocing the 2500k to 4.5 or so ghz
a single 7970
Crossover monitor
If the single 7970 doesn't cut it then add a second one, but even one will probably be ok. To put into perspective how good a single 7970 is, here is the anandbench page for your 6950 vs a 7970-- the 7970 is about twice as good in everything:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/510?vs=508
so if twice as much gpu power doesn't cut it, then you can just toss in another 7970 for about 4x power, since Crossfire scales almost 100% for dual cards XD

Lol I agree with the 6990 being loud and hot, that's the card I owned before my gtx 690, and if you want the 7970 but want quiet get the 7970 with the gigabyte windforce cooler .. but with my experiance with ati/amd there is always some stupid driver problem in some games, i don't even wanna get started about eyefinity, which is the reason I sold my 6990 and 3x 1080p monitors .. I've own plenty of ati/amd cards 2x 5770, 5970, 2x 5970, 6970, 6990 and I've owned a few nvidea cards 460, 465, 2x 580, and my current 690

Benches and actually gameplay are completely different wink.gif
But in all fairness I haven't tried the 7970 in my personal computer but used in at my friends house and my coworkers... my one friend has the crossover and his 7970 runs fine as far as I seen and didn't see any problems in bf3. My coworkers running his 7970 on a 1080p screen and has problems running Mafia 2

The windforce cooler is pretty silent at 100% fans
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Lol I agree with the 6990 being loud and hot, that's the card I owned before my gtx 690, and if you want the 7970 but want quiet get the 7970 with the gigabyte windforce cooler .. but with my experiance with ati/amd there is always some stupid driver problem in some games, i don't even wanna get started about eyefinity, which is the reason I sold my 6990 and 3x 1080p monitors .. I've own plenty of ati/amd cards 2x 5770, 5970, 2x 5970, 6970, 6990 and I've owned a few nvidea cards 460, 465, 2x 580, and my current 690
Benches and actually gameplay are completely different wink.gif
But in all fairness I haven't tried the 7970 in my personal computer but used in at my friends house and my coworkers... my one friend has the crossover and his 7970 runs fine as far as I seen and didn't see any problems in bf3. My coworkers running his 7970 on a 1080p screen and has problems running Mafia 2
The windforce cooler is pretty silent at 100% fans

Did you ever try surround on your 690 before you dumped the monitors, if so how was that? The 7970's look to gain an advantage in Crysis, Metro 2033 and Shogun 2; Nvidia takes Skyrim, Batman (not sure if this is a poorly optimized game because it's a significant difference) and BF3 so in that respect they seem fairly equal. However the part that scares me is the 690 is at 473w where the cf 7970 is at 638w , with 2 overclocked cards and an overclocked cpu wouldn't that push a 750w PSU close to its limits? Regarding your 690 how is surround compared to eyefinity if you tried it? Even if frames dip to say 30fps in a game does it still play smooth as if it didn't drop?
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I can't say for certain, because I don't own a 7000 series card (although I guess my 6990 is the worst of the worst in terms of power and heat) but the 7000 series hasn't had issues with power and heat relative to the 6000 and series from AMD and the 400 series from Nvidia. If heat concerns you, then grab a card with an aftermarket cooler such as the HIS ICEQ I mentioned. The 7970 just seems to me to be a MUCH better deal than any nvidia card on the market right now.
The 2500k is as good for gaming as the 3930k as additional cores/threads don't help games. Basically, I would recommend:
Sabertooth motherboard for extra PCIe slots and oc headroom
Noctua cooler for ocing the 2500k to 4.5 or so ghz
a single 7970
Crossover monitor
If the single 7970 doesn't cut it then add a second one, but even one will probably be ok. To put into perspective how good a single 7970 is, here is the anandbench page for your 6950 vs a 7970-- the 7970 is about twice as good in everything:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/510?vs=508
so if twice as much gpu power doesn't cut it, then you can just toss in another 7970 for about 4x power, since Crossfire scales almost 100% for dual cards XD

Thanks, is the case I chose ok for air cooling with the Noctua even if I overclock, regardless of which gpu's I go with or will I have to resort to water cooling for this setup?
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Not sure how you got talked into SLI 670's. I would definitely recommend 7970's as they are often 20% better and scale better at higher resolutions (which you will be using). They can he had for around 430 from newegg (such as the HIS ICEQ one),
The sabertooth is a great board that lots of people love, although I think you could squeeze an OC out of your current Asus, but I can understand Sata3 being a big draw so the sabertooth is an ok investment.l
I personally plan on buying a crossover over the other korean monitors in the next month due to the significantly nicer build quality, although there are two caveats to that: 1) The dell 2713HM is coming out soon and may be at a decent price point for an actually warrantied product. 2) You have to make sure that the seller from whom you buy your crossover sends it with a 110v power brick. Some sellers are shipping them with 220v bricks.
8gb of ram is plenty. If you don't feel confident about that, load up as many programs as you regularly use on your current computer, go to the task manager>performance tab and see how much of your physical memory you are using. In most cases it's tough to cross 6gb for a standard user. However, corsair vengeance memory has lately become a bit of a joke, and although it looks pretty with those heatspreaders, it's basically ordinary ram clocked at 1600. Many forum users will recommend samsung ram (no heatspreaders but overclocks past 2k easily) or Gskill ripjaws which looks pretty and OC's decently

Pretty bold claims 7970 cfx 20% improvement over 670 sli?? Care to show proof??

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-670-2-and-3way-sli-review/15

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-670-review,3200-16.html
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Being a 680 owner could you give me a ballpark on the performance drop I would get opting for a 670(as in fps not so much percentages)? It's a x4 =/, would it in turn be more cost effective to stick with my current motherboard and go with a gtx 690 than it would be 670sli + motherboard?

The difference between a 670 and a 680 is roughly 5%-10%. It's not much. FPS will vary by game, so it will probably be somewhere between 5-15 FPS difference. I bought a 680 the day it was released so that's why I have a 680 and not a 670 ph34r-smiley.gif

So if looking for cost effeciency.... A GTX 690 will be roughly $1000. And that is for a 2GB model. 4GB model.

A GTX 670 2GB model is ~$400.
4GB model is ~$460
A decent mobo for your CPU would be the Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 which you are looking at ~$120

Sooo... For similar performance of a 2GB GTX 690 you can get 2 x GTX 670 2GB models and the Extreme3 Gen3 for $80 less. But, if you plan on ever running 3 x monitors, you should be grabbing the 4GB model getting 2 x 4GB 670s and the mobo will cost you $1040 and you will not be VRAM limited in games. If you are only planning on a single monitor @ 60Hz, you will be fine with a single 2GB GTX 670.
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