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Just for reference the 670/680 is 192.2 GB/s, the Radeon 7950 is 240 GB/s, and the Radeon 7970 is 264 GB/s all at stock clocks. The question becomes, does that 48 or 72 GB/s more make an appreciable difference, and how would that be measured? Conclusion I don't know and I don't know. I doubt anyone else knows either.

Unless you had two identical cards both Nvidia or both AMD, one with a 256 bit bus and the other with a 384 bit bus you can't get a handle on what impact the bus width is having since there are so many other variables. AMD users love to point out their 384bit bus, but none of them can say for certain that the extra bandwidth is even accomplishing anything. And no, I'm not trying to start a war, that's just how it is since it can't be singled out and measured.

And here is a comparison of the 670 vs the 7950:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/598?vs=550

They trade blows for the most part, in some things the 670 does better, in others the 7950 does better.

So you cant just boil a decision down to small aspect of a card and say "oh ho, my bus width is 50% bigger, clearly it is the better card" which is actually something you will see said quite a lot... rolleyes.gif

Take the entire package into consideration along with reliability, drivers, SLI/Crossfire support, microstuttering (yes, I went there), downsampling, sparse grid supersampling, etc....

fair enough, numbers don't mean much without the context. That's the main problem I have when researching stuff; the amount of fanboyism lol.
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Just for reference the 670/680 is 192.2 GB/s, the Radeon 7950 is 240 GB/s, and the Radeon 7970 is 264 GB/s all at stock clocks. The question becomes, does that 48 or 72 GB/s more make an appreciable difference, and how would that be measured? Conclusion I don't know and I don't know. I doubt anyone else knows either.

Unless you had two identical cards both Nvidia or both AMD, one with a 256 bit bus and the other with a 384 bit bus you can't get a handle on what impact the bus width is having since there are so many other variables. AMD users love to point out their 384bit bus, but none of them can say for certain that the extra bandwidth is even accomplishing anything. And no, I'm not trying to start a war, that's just how it is since it can't be singled out and measured.

And here is a comparison of the 670 vs the 7950:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/598?vs=550

They trade blows for the most part, in some things the 670 does better, in others the 7950 does better.

So you cant just boil a decision down to small aspect of a card and say "oh ho, my bus width is 50% bigger, clearly it is the better card" which is actually something you will see said quite a lot... rolleyes.gif

Take the entire package into consideration along with reliability, drivers, SLI/Crossfire support, microstuttering (yes, I went there), downsampling, sparse grid supersampling, etc....

I would see these are the major factors one should consider before buying any GPU.

And above all go with what your heart desires and pockets afford. If you get something that does not make you happy no matter how awesome it is, you will not enjoy it.

Also this prolly belongs in the news section but thought I would share with you guys in terms of AMDs future - http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/14/us-amd-jpmorgan-idUSBRE8AC14Z20121114
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fair enough, numbers don't mean much without the context. That's the main problem I have when researching stuff; the amount of fanboyism lol.

None of that was aimed directly at you btw, just getting a load off. I don't get product loyalty either, I'm as mercenary as they come. If AMD gave me a compelling reason to pick their products I'd go for them in an instant.

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Also this prolly belongs in the news section but thought I would share with you guys in terms of AMDs future - http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/14/us-amd-jpmorgan-idUSBRE8AC14Z20121114

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None of that was aimed directly at you btw, just getting a load off. I don't get product loyalty either, I'm as mercenary as they come. If AMD gave me a compelling reason to pick their products I'd go for them in an instant.

No worries, I didn't take it personally.
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Also this prolly belongs in the news section but thought I would share with you guys in terms of AMDs future - http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/14/us-amd-jpmorgan-idUSBRE8AC14Z20121114

That's quite saddening.
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I dont think that there will be anything that my 680 TRI SLI will struggle with since I am not going further than 1440p
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Your GPUs are worth more than my car. When that's not enough to max a game then it's time for me to find a new hobby.
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Also this prolly belongs in the news section but thought I would share with you guys in terms of AMDs future - http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/14/us-amd-jpmorgan-idUSBRE8AC14Z20121114

Meh... Amd is going no where. They got plenty of money with 720, ps4, and wii u.

Article is way out of date now anyways


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Your GPUs are worth more than my car. When that's not enough to max a game then it's time for me to find a new hobby.

You need a new car then tongue.gif
Edited by Descadent - 3/23/13 at 6:56am
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Meh... Amd is going no where. They got plenty of money with 720, ps4, and wii u.

Article is way out of date now anyways
You need a new car then tongue.gif[/quote

Cheaper car = MORE MONEY FOR PC lol
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worst case scenario for amd is that they need bridge loan till they start getting money from consoles. besides even nvidia might borrow them money, otherwise if amd fails eu commision would regulate nvidia to oblivion (for example max 100W tdp and so on smile.gif)

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worst case scenario for amd is that they need bridge loan till they start getting money from consoles. besides even nvidia might borrow them money, otherwise if amd fails eu commision would regulate nvidia to oblivion (for example max 100W tdp and so on smile.gif)

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That is so true, less competition is not good for us consumers. I do totally agree that AMD is not gonna go away (atleast not this easy) and as much as I like Intel Nvidia, I would like to see AMD come back swinging and stay there for a while.
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