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Is it better to have A wide gamut monitor?What does that even mean?lol

For 95% of users a wide gamut monitor is useless. I bet most 30" owners on here are not aware they bought a wide gamut display (all 30" are wide gamut).

A wide gamut monitor can display more colors vs. a typical sRGB monitor but wide gamut displays make sRGB colors look inaccurate and over-saturated, especially with skin tones (often look sun-burned/jersey shored) and color shades are often swallowed by color over-saturation.

I have some examples, but they aren't 100% accurate since my camera can't capture a wide gamut displays colors properly

Example: Left=Wide Gamut Dell U2713H vs. Right=sRGB CrossOver 2720MDP. Both displays are calibrated with an i1 display pro colorimeter.

wide gamut: Dell U2713H Adobe RGB Preset

sRGB: Dell U2713H Preset

Will Smith & Tommy Lee Jones have sun burnt skin in the Adobe RGB mode. Look at the nose of the creature in the fish tank: the brown shades on the creatures nose are lost to green over-saturation in the Adobe RGB mode.
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For 95% of users a wide gamut monitor is useless. I bet most 30" owners on here are not aware they bought a wide gamut display (all 30" are wide gamut).

A wide gamut monitor can display more colors vs. a typical sRGB monitor but wide gamut displays make sRGB colors look inaccurate and over-saturated, especially with skin tones (often look sun-burned/jersey shored) and color shades are often swallowed by color over-saturation.

I have some examples, but they aren't 100% accurate since my camera can't capture a wide gamut displays colors properly

Example: Left=Wide Gamut Dell U2713H vs. Right=sRGB CrossOver 2720MDP. Both displays are calibrated with an i1 display pro colorimeter.

wide gamut: Dell U2713H Adobe RGB Preset

sRGB: Dell U2713H Preset

Will Smith & Tommy Lee Jones have sun burnt skin in the Adobe RGB mode. Look at the nose of the creature in the fish tank: the brown shades on the creatures nose are lost to green over-saturation in the Adobe RGB mode.
Thanks, that was insightful. So these monitors are mostly used by what kind of professionals? Video editors? Photographers?
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Thanks, that was insightful. So these monitors are mostly used by what kind of professionals? Video editors? Photographers?

Yes. Including things like graphic design and illustration.

Edit: As a student in those fields I believe you can get away with working on an 8 bit panel in just the sRGB mode. I'm going to soon fond out as my son next year starts classes in design. It was a secondary motivator for me to purchase my 1440p.
     
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Well then i guess you guys talked me out of my monitor and i will return it..Does it look like a bad skin tone??



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Does it look like a bad skin tone??

There are too many variables (camera capabilities, were realistic settings used, we are viewing the image on sRGB monitors, using non-color managed internet browsers, ect) for us to tell, maybe take a comparison pic with the same camera settings of the sRGB mode vs. Adobe RGB. If you like the colors and don't care about color accuracy keep it.

Wide Gamut displays are useful for photographers who own cameras capable of shooting raw images who edit them in color managed applications such as Photoshop & Lightroom. Not sure about the medical field or all the different types of graphic design. My knowledge is pretty much limited to this:

Do not buy a wide gamut monitor for playing games, watching movies and general PC use (internet, coding, writing papers, ect.)

True 10 bit displays cost thousands of dollars, pretty much all sub 2,500$ monitors I am aware of are 8 bit+FRC. One also needs a proper graphics card capable of displaying a true 10 bit source (Nvidia Quadro and AMD firepro cards) as well as a true 10 bit work flow.

There are no true 10 bit consumer sources

In 10-15 years most displays and TV broadcasts (in advanced countries=Japan) will likely use the Adobe RGB color space.


I have a cheap video camera (Sanyo HD2000). Eventually I plan on getting a camera capable of shooting RAW files and a wide gamut monitor, but right now there aren't any good ones for all around use. By the end of the year NEC & Eizo will likely release some 27" 1440p GB-LED back-lit Wide Gamut models with semi-glossy coating, hardware calibration and color space emulation which work properly to replace their old, grainy matte coated CCFL back-lit models.

The Dell U2713H has all of the above "professional," features but they do not work properly and it has really high input lag+obvious ghosting.
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^^^This^^^

I just wanted to echo to everyone, he said the Dell U2713H and not the U2713HM for anyone who might get confused between the two. The U2713HM is an 8 bit designed for multimedia and the U2713H is the 10 bit wide gamut that MenacingTuba mentioned.
     
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So then what monitor do i want?
 
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So then what monitor do i want?

Dell U2713HM (best value sRGB monitor since it goes on sale for 550$) or ViewSonic VP2770 (best performing and the least quality control issues...700$+). The LG 27EA83R (non R=wide gamut) is an unknown variable since no one has reviewed one yet.

Or a Qnix/X-Star from ebay if you do not need extra inputs.
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So then what monitor do i want?

That's not so cut and dry. A lot is subjection to what you might want out of a monitor and what you place more important. Three monitors I suggest is VP2770, U2713HM, PB278Q. All have CON and PRO.

VP2770 least input lag most expensive. I'll let someone who owns it give Cons and Pros on this. I read PRO - it's the fastest input lag. CON - red tint during Blu-ray playback. Don't quote me on either. Not many reviews on this monitor so hoping owners give more detail.

U2713HM Sit too close possible cross hatching because of a bit grainier AG coating than PB278Q. No PWM back lightning. Individually Factory pre-calibrated. Very accurate colors. Great contrast though a tinge of green in Blu-ray playback. Very well laid out OSD. Two 2.0 USB ports two 3.0 USB ports. Stand swivels around monitor movement for landscape and portrait. I find gaming with a bit of ghosting like the PB278Q. DELL has a default panel overdrive with no option on OSD to tweak but it's done a well job with it's HM version.

PB278Q Possible PWM flicker or issues if it bothers you, if not this is a moot point. Deep blacks and decent colors. It's 0.01ms faster input lag than U2713HM. No extra inputs. Offers all the cables for the ports where the U2713HM lacks the HDMI cable. I found gaming very comparable to the U2713HM as input lag goes.

One thing I noticed when reading review is pricing is all different right now. Base price on these models have come down from what reviewers were basing their scores on to other monitors. The final decision is up to you and what you value most. Do find out about the pros and cons on the VP2770.

Last choice you have is if you'd like to go Korean panels and I will also leave that to someone with one who can also list PROs and COn's to help you. All good choices IMO. All will have the chance of back light bleed or IPS glow. Go figure how one person hits it off first time and others takes a few exchanges.Please make sure you also get the pros and cons to these monitors as well. Nothing is perfect and beware those who say so.

Edit- I gave you a lot of review links from different sites. Find others too. You'll see a pattern on these monitors in what keeps being repeated and what might be review subjective. I had both U2713HM and PB278Q to compare on my desk at the same time.
     
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