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Lon Seidman knew he wasn't going to get rich from his three-hour video discussion of the Curiosity rover landing on Mars. The local media entrepreneur did a live Google+ Hangout about the event and posted the resulting video to YouTube, expecting it would earn him a few bucks and attract some new readers to his site, CT Tech Junkie. During the discussion, Seidman played a number of NASA videos about the Curiosity mission. He knew he was on safe ground because works of the federal government are automatically in the public domain.

So he was surprised to find that no fewer than five other media organizations (mostly television stations, including some from overseas) had "claimed" the content of his video through YouTube's Content ID system. It appears that the other media organizations had uploaded their own news broadcasts—which contained the same public domain material—to Content ID's matching system. The fact that Seidman's video used the same content was enough to trigger a content match.

How YouTube lets content companies "claim" NASA Mars videos

Despicable. And this isn't the first unfairly claimed movie out there, I posted a while back about an official political satire movie that got taken down in similar fashion (taken down for being too political) and there have been many other instances.

In all reality, we need to do something, what I don't know, but something must be done about abuse of copyright!
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Simple; all the "little guys" should sign up for ContentID (it is free after all) and post loads of public domain material.

Then all the public domain parts of their clips will be matched to those parts of corporate videos and will claim them.

There are more little guys than big guys, I'm sure that the system would eventually collapse and a new method would need to be found.
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The process seems assbackwards. Shouldn't the videos only be taken down AFTER review? Not reviewed after the take down?
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The process seems assbackwards. Shouldn't the videos only be taken down AFTER review? Not reviewed after the take down?
But, you see, that would make sense. This is copyright law we're talking about, we entered la-la land around 3 clicks back, when we took the left at the giant white rabbit.
 
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Simple; all the "little guys" should sign up for ContentID (it is free after all) and post loads of public domain material.
Then all the public domain parts of their clips will be matched to those parts of corporate videos and will claim them.
There are more little guys than big guys, I'm sure that the system would eventually collapse and a new method would need to be found.

I have no idea what that means.
    
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Simple; all the "little guys" should sign up for ContentID (it is free after all) and post loads of public domain material.
Then all the public domain parts of their clips will be matched to those parts of corporate videos and will claim them.
There are more little guys than big guys, I'm sure that the system would eventually collapse and a new method would need to be found.

In order to test the ease of this, I have submitted an application for ContentID. If it is accepter (as I am an average Joe Schmoe) then I will conceed that that is a usable approach. Otherwise it is not.

Besides that, the problem was that TV stations had already uploaded content with the "infringing" material in it before he uploaded his, so it wouldn't have made a difference in his case.

As it is, it's currently first come first serve.
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In order to test the ease of this, I have submitted an application for ContentID. If it is accepter (as I am an average Joe Schmoe) then I will conceed that that is a usable approach.

Thanks for the "research" wink.gif

I admit I don't know what the process is, I just read the FAQ on ContentID which stated that it is free and you don't need to be in a commercial arrangement with YouTube to use it.

Be sure to let us know the outcome!
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As it is, it's currently first come first serve.

I'm not sure about that. He said in the article that the content was claimed by 5 different groups. If it was first come first serve, you would imagine that the content from all 6 parties would have been claimed by the first person to upload the footage.

Unless of course the 5 different groups were claiming 5 different parts of his video.

Either way there are a lot more smaller subscribers than larger ones - if all of them siged up for ContentID it would soon become unworkable. Plus I'm sure the masses could upload public domain clips before the larger subscribers who would be more careful about checking / editing the footage.
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So all the guy has to do is contact google, and tell them this. Problem solved.

You can fight copyright claims on youtube. I've done it. It takes about 10 seconds, and provided your sane, you'll get your vid back in a day. It happened to Nasa themselves, and they fixed it within hours:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/08/as-curiosity-touches-down-on-mars-video-is-taken-down-from-youtube/


Yes, the system is broken. However, its easy enough to get around it. Not news worthy IMO.
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So all the guy has to do is contact google, and tell them this. Problem solved.
You can fight copyright claims on youtube. I've done it. It takes about 10 seconds, and provided your sane, you'll get your vid back in a day. It happened to Nasa themselves, and they fixed it within hours:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/08/as-curiosity-touches-down-on-mars-video-is-taken-down-from-youtube/
Yes, the system is broken. However, its easy enough to get around it. Not news worthy IMO.

Glad it took you 10 seconds, however I have also seen countless testimonies of people who have lost their copyright due to false claims and were never able to regain them.
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I'll just leave this here....
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While the stakes aren't high in this particular case—Seidman estimates he would have earned $3 in advertising revenue from his video—the principle matters to him.

Obviously, with this type of private system, the corporations will be favored over the little guys ( sadly )
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