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No it wont be as powerful as they say, their always throwing around crazy numbers like 6 times this and 10 times that but youll never know until MS talks publicly about it and personally I've got a 2 year old CPU in my sig rig that will probably still stomp that thing when they release it in another 5 years. You ask me all the console makers have dropped the ball by letting their consoles get too long in the tooth and now they are starting to panic with the rapid decline in sales of both hardware and software.
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No it wont be as powerful as they say, their always throwing around crazy numbers like 6 times this and 10 times that but youll never know until MS talks publicly about it and personally I've got a 2 year old CPU in my sig rig that will probably still stomp that thing when they release it in another 5 years. You ask me all the console makers have dropped the ball by letting their consoles get too long in the tooth and now they are starting to panic with the rapid decline in sales of both hardware and software.

They aren't panicking at all. The console makers are just stretching the current generation out as long as they can to get as much money out of them before they are outdated by new consoles.

I also doubt your 2 year old CPU will 'stomp' on the CPU they end up going with. When the 360 was released, it was top-end hardware wise. Obviously it was outdated fast, but that's just how it works.
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They aren't panicking at all. The console makers are just stretching the current generation out as long as they can to get as much money out of them before they are outdated by new consoles.
I also doubt your 2 year old CPU will 'stomp' on the CPU they end up going with. When the 360 was released, it was top-end hardware wise. Obviously it was outdated fast, but that's just how it works.

That's not even almost true, the hardware in the 360 was dated around 03' and the 360 launched in 05'. It was already out dated, but what do you expect, they can't release a console with the newest hardware, it obviously takes time to develop... They can't just update specs as better hardware releases...
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That's not even almost true, the hardware in the 360 was dated around 03' and the 360 launched in 05'. It was already out dated, but what do you expect, they can't release a console with the newest hardware, it obviously takes time to develop... They can't just update specs as better hardware releases...

The GPU in the 360 is essentially a X1900/X1950 XT, which is around a 7800/7900GTX by Nvidia's standards around that time. The release of the 360 was winter of '05, and the current top card at that point was the 7800GTX, which puts the 360's graphical power slightly above what consumers could get with a single card solution at that time. GPU specs.

Onto the CPU. The 360 has a 3.2 GHz PowerPC Tri-Core processor. Here are the in-depth specifications on this unit. During the winter of 2005, PC consumers didn't even have options above dual-core, and even the frequencies weren't comparable.

So, as you can clearly see, in terms of hardware the 360 was superior to the PC counterpart at the time of release... AKA, very much so true. Perhaps you should do your research before spouting out misinforming hearsay.
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One can hope, but that ain't gonna happen. But if it is a huge step forward, I will pick one up. My daughter's getting to the age that some educational games would be of interest/benefit to her. Any advancement from either side, pc or console, only benefits us all. I for one hope it's a great success. thumb.gif
  
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Onto the CPU. The 360 has a 3.2 GHz PowerPC Tri-Core processor.

Ok, lets bring Desktops into this. Compare a Bulldozer to a Ivy Bridge. The Bulldozer with Twice as many cores will get absolutely swamped with the 4 core.
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The GPU in the 360 is essentially a X1900/X1950 XT, which is around a 7800/7900GTX by Nvidia's standards around that time. The release of the 360 was winter of '05, and the current top card at that point was the 7800GTX, which puts the 360's graphical power slightly above what consumers could get with a single card solution at that time. GPU specs.
Onto the CPU. The 360 has a 3.2 GHz PowerPC Tri-Core processor. Here are the in-depth specifications on this unit. During the winter of 2005, PC consumers didn't even have options above dual-core, and even the frequencies weren't comparable.
So, as you can clearly see, in terms of hardware the 360 was superior to the PC counterpart at the time of release... AKA, very much so true. Perhaps you should do your research before spouting out misinforming hearsay.

It will not have anywhere near new hardware in it when it is released. The completely obvious reason being that they'll need time to develop everything and they won't just throw together a bunch of new parts right before they show it. I'm sure it's already in development, so what GPU do you think they are using right now? Let's say it is a BRAND new 7000 series GPU (which it won't be). So if they release it a year from now....they are going to be using a GPU that is at least a year old. Pretty old in computer terms.

And that reasoning is not even considering the price that would result from using brand new hardware. Say they put just a new, middle of the line, GPU in their new console, well that would be easily $200 right there. For that 1 part. Using new materials, the cost of the new console would be $700-$1000 depending on how much of a discount Microsoft gets by buying in such bulk. There's no way they'd start the price THAT high at launch. $500 at max.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing that they wouldn't use brand new hardware, but there's just no way I see that happening.
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You better believe they price that high. First 360 was $1000.00 and more in other countries, heck even the PS1 was like $1500.00 here.

I'd say you'll be looking at more than $1000.00
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Are you sure? Because I remember paying about 270 pounds for my Xbox 360 in early 2006.
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The real question is if the cloud gaming will work. The whole idea with the 720 is to be your "everything console," meaning it should be just about the only thing under your TV, and also to last forever (obviously not really forever) because of the cloud gaming. The 720 is supposed to be able to keep up with new tech because with the cloud gaming, the game is rendered on a computer owned by microsoft and then sent back to you. The only thing your xbox would really be doing is sending your controller input to the said computer, and then receiving the frames rendered by the computer and displaying it. The problem is that if this were the case with all games, you would never be able to play offline, and if something were to happen to the servers you wouldn't be able to play either. Also, I would be surprised if MS didn't tack on an extra fee for gaming because of the money they would have to spend upgrading the computers.
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