Originally Posted by phibrizo
Like someone else said, you are confusing racism with nationality, no where in my post did I mention that he was a thief because of his ethnic background. What i mentioned what that Intel and other companies outsource because they want to save money (yes the dollar amount could be wrong for how much they wanted to save), but Intel hired someone who has an H1-B visa, and those are usually used as work in America permits. Can Intel afford to pay the extra 30k to an American, sure, but Intel has THOUSANDS of employees, and lets say they only outsourced 1000 people to save 30k each, that number added up into the millions(30m in my example) once you start doing the math. Would Intel like to save 30m just in pure profit or use toward R&D. I know if I was a CEO of a company and I could use that money to better my company, I would not hesitate to outsource in a heartbeat. Not once did I say that he was under qualified or question his qualifications, you took what I said and blew it out of this atmosphere. I was just laughing at Intel trying to save a few bucks(which they were since Intel does not have to pay outsourced workers the same as citizens), and it blew up in their face by costing them almost 1 Billion dollars.
No no no, don't get me wrong; all I'm saying is that is had enough holes to be misinterpreted.
I never said you called him a thief because of his ethnic background so idk where you're getting that from
I haven't dug into the man's life enough yet, but what I'm saying is this:
This isn't technically outsourcing (re check the definition
). Outsourcing is indeed a very
common and logical choice for many companies as it helps save money. We do not
have information regarding this man's pay and as such, it is invalid/unfair to conclude/assume that his visa status had an effect on his income. Does it usually happen? Of course it does, but we do not know this man's case for a fact
Many companies hire on H1-B visas and use that as an excuse to reduce salaries by a considerably amount; but the presence of the H1-B visa doesn't necessarily indicate that the individual gets slightly lower pay does it? (Unless there is a clause that demands that; sorry, I haven't read too much of the legal bindings associated with an H1-B visa so please correct me if I'm wrong - with a source) .
I also didn't say you said he was under qualified ... he was qualified .. which is obviously part of why he got the job lol. What I said was:
Intel's job market is open for any and everyone to apply to. If they hire a non-American, it doesn't in anyway mean they were trying to save money. With the same (invalid) logic, you could say that if they hire an American, they are being racially biased. Simply accept that people get positions because they were qualified for it and life will be simpler.
Translation: concluding that his hiring was an attempt to save money (without backing evidence) is as invalid and as false as automatically concluding that someone choosing an American for a job means they are racially biased. (ethnically biased is the term I should have used; thanks for the correction. I just tend to use them both interchangeably ). And as such, we should use the premise that he got the job because of his qualifications and not factor in attempts to cut costs - not without evidence.
Companies like to outsource, yes. A lot of companies don't like applying for H1-B visas for their employees...
Catch my drift? I'm all after facts supporting statements - especially with our premises. Without facts/truth, all our conclusions and arguments can be broken down and misinterpreted too easily.
Your post which I first addressed was lacking any supporting facts for the statement, hence, providing room for massive interpretation. That's what I was tackling; wasn't an attack at you at all.
Originally Posted by zooterboy
You're confusing racism with nationalism. American isn't a race. Additionally, it's well known that many American companies actively recruit people that are not American citizens so they don't have to pay a competitive American wage. That has nothing to do with race.
For some reason, I never saw this ... yeah, that was a huge terminology blunder on my path. thanks for pointing that out.
Race should be ethnicity/nationality instead, ma bad
Originally Posted by Rotsae
Money saved by Microsoft at the expense of the customer. Some disc were scratch beyond repair, thus making games unable to load or play. It doesn't stop there, Microsoft introduce a $20 disc replacement program. Charging money to replace disc their machine broke. Do you support these kind of thing?
Sometimes, business choices and ethics travel on parallel lines and in opposite directions ....Edited by dklimitless - 8/11/12 at 7:31am