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Or how Microsoft save $0.25 per Xbox360 by not putting in a rubber bumper to keep the disc in place. Now some people have scratch rings on their discs.

25 cents on 67.2 million units+ sold is 16.8 million dollars+ saved lol
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Come in the next day and the entire place has turned into a paintball match with people wearing Red and Blue Shirts.... Lol.

lachen.gif That would be an awesome day! Pretty sure the red team is gonna win that fight (Reason: There's an AMD - formerly ATI building 100 meters from where we are lol)
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25 cents on 67.2 million units+ sold is 16.8 million dollars+ saved lol

lol, it's easy to forget that these companies deal with millions, not 100's or single unit. It's like a guy who wants to steal $0.01 from 100million people. ... subtle theft/savings and unlikely to be noticed, but you will come out a millionaire.
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Your source is? If Wikipedia, it doesn't provide any shred of evidence supporting the claim that Intel was trying to save $30K a year by hiring him. The article was clearly written by someone who has a strong bias against non-americans taking jobs it seems.
Do you honestly believe Intel can't afford $30K a year on an individual who passed their (sometimes painful) hiring process?
1. If you're going to repeat such statements, please state the source as well at the every least. Someone could easily interpret your statements as racially biased. Remember that this thread is visible to anyone that has internet access. Unless of course, you spoke to the hiring manager who chose this guy and got the information ...
2. If you do believe the wiki article, then sure, have fun. Intel's job market is open for any and everyone to apply to. If they hire a non-American, it doesn't in anyway mean they were trying to save money. With the same (invalid) logic, you could say that if they hire an American, they are being racially biased. Simply accept that people get positions because they were qualified for it and life will be simpler.
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There isn't much companies can do to secure certain data though. What is the guarantee that the senior-most design engineer with full clearance won't leak the information to a rival company and quit right after? None.
I like the fact that AMD promptly fired the man - and according to the FBI, there is no evidence that they had any involvement in the matter.
This is pretty terrible practice though, he has ruined his image forever ... at just 36 years ...
You're confusing racism with nationalism. American isn't a race. Additionally, it's well known that many American companies actively recruit people that are not American citizens so they don't have to pay a competitive American wage. That has nothing to do with race.
    
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Your source is? If Wikipedia, it doesn't provide any shred of evidence supporting the claim that Intel was trying to save $30K a year by hiring him. The article was clearly written by someone who has a strong bias against non-americans taking jobs it seems.
Do you honestly believe Intel can't afford $30K a year on an individual who passed their (sometimes painful) hiring process?
1. If you're going to repeat such statements, please state the source as well at the every least. Someone could easily interpret your statements as racially biased. Remember that this thread is visible to anyone that has internet access. Unless of course, you spoke to the hiring manager who chose this guy and got the information ...
2. If you do believe the wiki article, then sure, have fun. Intel's job market is open for any and everyone to apply to. If they hire a non-American, it doesn't in anyway mean they were trying to save money. With the same (invalid) logic, you could say that if they hire an American, they are being racially biased. Simply accept that people get positions because they were qualified for it and life will be simpler.
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There isn't much companies can do to secure certain data though. What is the guarantee that the senior-most design engineer with full clearance won't leak the information to a rival company and quit right after? None.
I like the fact that AMD promptly fired the man - and according to the FBI, there is no evidence that they had any involvement in the matter.
This is pretty terrible practice though, he has ruined his image forever ... at just 36 years ...

Like someone else said, you are confusing racism with nationality, no where in my post did I mention that he was a thief because of his ethnic background. What i mentioned what that Intel and other companies outsource because they want to save money (yes the dollar amount could be wrong for how much they wanted to save), but Intel hired someone who has an H1-B visa, and those are usually used as work in America permits. Can Intel afford to pay the extra 30k to an American, sure, but Intel has THOUSANDS of employees, and lets say they only outsourced 1000 people to save 30k each, that number added up into the millions(30m in my example) once you start doing the math. Would Intel like to save 30m just in pure profit or use toward R&D. I know if I was a CEO of a company and I could use that money to better my company, I would not hesitate to outsource in a heartbeat. Not once did I say that he was under qualified or question his qualifications, you took what I said and blew it out of this atmosphere. I was just laughing at Intel trying to save a few bucks(which they were since Intel does not have to pay outsourced workers the same as citizens), and it blew up in their face by costing them almost 1 Billion dollars.
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OH no, I just find it funny that Intel was trying to save money by "outsourcing(essentially by hiring a non American)" and it cost them more money than they were trying to save a year...
I think the guy should have got more prison time because of the amount of money was lost, but that is just my opinion. Only good thing about this is that he will probably never work in that field again because he has a conviction of theft of trade secrets, which mean one more spot for me when I graduate with my engineering degree in a couple of years. biggrin.gif

Good luck, my boy. Florida too, huh? And theft? Don't know, but why?
    
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Well hopefully AMD puts lots of money on his books for snacks tongue.gif
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Like someone else said, you are confusing racism with nationality, no where in my post did I mention that he was a thief because of his ethnic background. What i mentioned what that Intel and other companies outsource because they want to save money (yes the dollar amount could be wrong for how much they wanted to save), but Intel hired someone who has an H1-B visa, and those are usually used as work in America permits. Can Intel afford to pay the extra 30k to an American, sure, but Intel has THOUSANDS of employees, and lets say they only outsourced 1000 people to save 30k each, that number added up into the millions(30m in my example) once you start doing the math. Would Intel like to save 30m just in pure profit or use toward R&D. I know if I was a CEO of a company and I could use that money to better my company, I would not hesitate to outsource in a heartbeat. Not once did I say that he was under qualified or question his qualifications, you took what I said and blew it out of this atmosphere. I was just laughing at Intel trying to save a few bucks(which they were since Intel does not have to pay outsourced workers the same as citizens), and it blew up in their face by costing them almost 1 Billion dollars.

No no no, don't get me wrong; all I'm saying is that is had enough holes to be misinterpreted.
I never said you called him a thief because of his ethnic background so idk where you're getting that from tongue.gif

I haven't dug into the man's life enough yet, but what I'm saying is this:
This isn't technically outsourcing (re check the definition smile.gif ). Outsourcing is indeed a very common and logical choice for many companies as it helps save money. We do not have information regarding this man's pay and as such, it is invalid/unfair to conclude/assume that his visa status had an effect on his income. Does it usually happen? Of course it does, but we do not know this man's case for a fact.
Many companies hire on H1-B visas and use that as an excuse to reduce salaries by a considerably amount; but the presence of the H1-B visa doesn't necessarily indicate that the individual gets slightly lower pay does it? (Unless there is a clause that demands that; sorry, I haven't read too much of the legal bindings associated with an H1-B visa so please correct me if I'm wrong - with a source) .

I also didn't say you said he was under qualified ... he was qualified .. which is obviously part of why he got the job lol. What I said was:
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Intel's job market is open for any and everyone to apply to. If they hire a non-American, it doesn't in anyway mean they were trying to save money. With the same (invalid) logic, you could say that if they hire an American, they are being racially biased. Simply accept that people get positions because they were qualified for it and life will be simpler.

Translation: concluding that his hiring was an attempt to save money (without backing evidence) is as invalid and as false as automatically concluding that someone choosing an American for a job means they are racially biased. (ethnically biased is the term I should have used; thanks for the correction. I just tend to use them both interchangeably ). And as such, we should use the premise that he got the job because of his qualifications and not factor in attempts to cut costs - not without evidence.
Companies like to outsource, yes. A lot of companies don't like applying for H1-B visas for their employees...


Catch my drift? I'm all after facts supporting statements - especially with our premises. Without facts/truth, all our conclusions and arguments can be broken down and misinterpreted too easily.
Your post which I first addressed was lacking any supporting facts for the statement, hence, providing room for massive interpretation. That's what I was tackling; wasn't an attack at you at all.

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You're confusing racism with nationalism. American isn't a race. Additionally, it's well known that many American companies actively recruit people that are not American citizens so they don't have to pay a competitive American wage. That has nothing to do with race.

For some reason, I never saw this ... yeah, that was a huge terminology blunder on my path. thanks for pointing that out.
Race should be ethnicity/nationality instead, ma bad
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Money saved by Microsoft at the expense of the customer. Some disc were scratch beyond repair, thus making games unable to load or play. It doesn't stop there, Microsoft introduce a $20 disc replacement program. Charging money to replace disc their machine broke. Do you support these kind of thing?

Sometimes, business choices and ethics travel on parallel lines and in opposite directions ....
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I love OCN, If he would of some movies off a torrent site he would be a hero.
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He will do time in a white collar country club, get out early and work for the feds. Nothing to see here.
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