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I have my Case Labs SMH10 ready to be setup sitting in a room all lonely along with 22 Gentle Typhoon AP-29 (3000RPM) fans.

From my experience with using them in the M8 for a couple of months, I am not very happy running them full speed. They're louder than my air conditioner. Preferably and according to Martin, the best speed/noise ratio is around 2200 RPM. I don't think I would mind around a maximum of 2400-2600 but turning the M8 on (which by the way is only using 6 of them) sounds like a Mustang GT starting up. I can't imagine 22 of them at full RPM.

My main concern now is my actual airflow. I have DEMCiflex filters that I will be using on all intake fans.

I was wondering what I should do in order to get the correct pressure system. I do NOT want the same thing as my old M8 where I had more exhaust than intake.

For those not familiar with the SMH10, there is a semi-separate chamber on the bottom of the case somewhat isolated from the top where the motherboard, GPU, watercooling, etc. will reside.

My current plan is the following:

2 x 2400 RPM = FRONT, INTAKE
1 x 2400 RPM = BACK, INTAKE
4 x 2100 RPM = TOP, EXHAUST

This covers the top chamber. I'm hoping the extra 300 RPM on the intake fans will compensate for the lack of a fan as well as the filters and bring more air as intake than as exhaust. Thoughts? Should I modify RPMs? I'm hoping the bottom of the case won't interact much with the top chamber, but there are holes in the case so some OCN physicist feel free to help! thumb.gif

1 x 2400 RPM = FRONT, INTAKE
8 x 2400 RPM = PUSH/PULL, EXHAUST
6 x 2400 RPM = PUSH/PULL, EXHAUST
1 x PSU = EXHAUST

This is where I am concerned. That's a lot of exhaust. These will be on radiators except for the front fan which will act as intake so the air around the front has somewhere to get sucked in (and filtered). I don't believe using the radiators as intake is a good idea since then the air will clash with each other and stagnate. The PSU will also be down there acting as exhaust as well. I don't want the bottom to suck all the air out of the top chamber either, unless this is a desired result for cooling. I'm hoping it won't interact much with the top, but from experience I know the air will get sucked through any hole possible.

I would really appreciate any input on this as I don't want to modify it once it's put together.
Edited by xyeLz - 8/9/12 at 1:33pm
post #2 of 40
I do not fully understand the bottom layout simply because I do not know of the case you are speaking of.

I would say the top is great. You thought a lot about the rpms and the quantities. However I agree the bottom scares me..

Just like the top, the bottom needs to have almost equal intake to exhaust for static pressure.. I really believe one of those exhausts need to be in take, but without seeing a drawing I am unsure of how that would stagnate the air as you say..

I would even go as far as saying your better off with the intake for one of the p/p set ups because it will bring the cooler air in since I am sure your rig will generate hotter air than room temp..

I wouldnt worry yourself over the holes between compartments.. I mean heck this is just cooling andf not brain surgery.

I really think you did your homework and if you can bring yourself to switch one to intake you will be fine!

Hope this helps
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post #3 of 40
you will have way too much negative pressure. if you thought you'd have stagnation
negative pressure will also do the same and in this case exccessively. 9:4 exhaust ratio
it too much. any unfiltered crack, opening or seam will allow dust to enter unfilters.
preferably in a positive you won't have to worry about filtering unseen inlets.

if you have two rads cross-drafting, you can intake on one and exhaust through the other.
have the hot coolant spill into the exhaust rad and the route the secondary pre-cool into
the second cooling it further. no stagnation.

the PSU as an exhaust isn't really a player until 60-80% load on the PSU or the fan at
WOT. so i wouldn't count on it as a device on intake or exhaust. i'd treat each level or
zone as an indepenent case and vent accordingly.

a case layout and rad placement would help in postion assistance. i was on CL site and
can see the possibilities, but the options are yours and we can really point you in the wrong
direction.

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post #4 of 40
any picture would really helpful here biggrin.gif
post #5 of 40
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the help so far.

Here's an image of the case:

658c079b_203d88f6_SMH10_03.jpeg

As you can see, determining the bottom can be quite tough. If I have both radiators as intake, the air will stagnate in the middle and cause more trouble than good. If I have both radiators exhaust, I have far more negative pressure than I want. If I have one radiator intake and one radiator exhaust, not only do I need another dust filter for the intake, but this isn't nearly as efficient as both radiators exhaust (as tested by Martin).

I was assuming the intake fan on the front would somewhat "suck" all the air near the front and sides that would be trying to get sucked in elsewhere.

Other than that I'm not sure. frown.gif
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I mean this is just me and I only see a side picture.. But depending on the width of the case I would mod those 2 screens and have them pull the air right thru the case..

I am probably wrong in the fact that it cant be done.. If martin ran test on it.. didnt he say what the best option was??
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post #7 of 40
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It's double wide. You can fit a radiator on each side in push/pull configuration.

Here's one side:

620932_568086504658_834340988_o.jpg
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Originally Posted by xyeLz View Post

It's double wide. You can fit a radiator on each side in push/pull configuration.
Here's one side: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
620932_568086504658_834340988_o.jpg

yeah, if you look at the other side, it'll be intake, cross-drafting the lower portion. you'll haver to look at it in zones
and not as a whole.. it'll be way too big to make lil 120's do the haul of the whole case.

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post #9 of 40
Is there any possibility of opening the space between the upper and lower chambers? It would be more feasible to use both bottom rads as intake or exhaust if you could get air down from above, or push it upward. Other than that, I think using one as an intake and the other as an exhaust may be the only real option... If you have a strong enough front intake fan, it may be able to cool the air a slight amount, but I can't see any other option :/
     
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It would be more feasible to use both bottom rads as intake or exhaust if you could get air down from above, or push it upward.

as asked prior, the stagnation of the air in between the parallel lower rads when doing either has a dimming effect. which way
does the air go? air is lazy and will not travel without restriction, unless directed or channeled. so having a common plenum
and venting or intaking the air collides and can cancel the objective (restrict). making the space wider does help, but using
powerful fans will have them 8-9" apart as not to disturb each other. case is 9.70" wide without rads and fans..

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