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For quite awhile I have been needing a new computer, and want some advice on my planned build. I have built two computers before but no hardware modifications, custom water cooling or anything like that. I want to get into watercooling for this build possibly a custom loop with lots of help. I want to use this for, work which includes lots of Microsoft word and excel, for gaming at 2560x1440 and most if not all settings to max in the games I'll play. If people give suggestions about watercooling my GPUs please give links to what I need if I get gpu coolers wouldn't I have to take off the pcb anyway so I would buy normal cards instead of the Asus' one's right?

If you are recommending changing any of the parts please show a link to info on the piece. Does anyone have a sound card or can recommend one I was thinking of getting one but might not be able to afford it or even need it. If I was to overclock I don't know how much I would do it by for each part.

To round up some of my questions.
1. Are all of these components compatible?
2. How large should my PSU be?
3. If I watercool my GPUs do I have to take anything off of them? if yes please tell me what.
4. Does my case have enough space to watercool my GPUs? if it doesn't can you recommend one.

Monitor: Crossover 27Q LED-P
CPU: I7 3930 hex core 2011 socket
Motherboard: saber tooth x79
Case: corsair c70 tower atx
RAM: corsair 1600hz 16gb not sure on 2x8 or 4x4
SSD: OCZ Vertex 4 128gb (not needed but would be nice)
GPU: 2x asus CU II TOP gtx 670s possibly not top just normal
PSU: Seasonic 1000W platinum PSU this is the thing I have the least clue about I know it's a great psu but should I go with the 860W version or is that still too much for my build, if it is please recommend one.
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100 it sounds nice never having to do any work on it after install.
Disk Bay: LG CH12LS28 does blu-ray and normal.
Hard Drive: Western Digital 1T black 7200rpm (already have it because it was going to be a second hard rive for my old comp but the video card died before I installed it, so it's sitting there).
Fans: 2x Corsair air series SP120 quiet edition
2x Corsair air series AF120 quiet edition

I don't know if you noticed the amount of corsair products but I do like the brand. But I'm fine with others as well. Same with Asus but to a much lesser extent.

Please tell me if I have forgotten a part.
I will probably only check this thread once a day at the most, also is there any way to bump a thread without getting a post?

The main games I will be playing on this computer is Starcraft 2, League of Legends, lots of steam games and some FPS games.

Sorry for my post being so long, but I really want to get this all right.
post #2 of 13
ok do you NEED to be on the x79 platform? I mean, do you really think any of the extra horsepower that the 3930 brings? From what I've gathered, an i5 would suffice your needs and even an i7 if you want to overkill it a bit. So unless you need the six cores I would suggest a 3770k. Will save you some money and allow you to switch to the z77 platform which is cheaper by a decent amount.

For the GPU question, yes you will have to remove the faceplate and modify the GPU a little bit. It will use one of these waterblocks...

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/gpbl.html

Now I would also like to suggest the 4gb 670s if you ever think you will be doing double or triple wide monitor setups. The extra vram will help out in the end. if it is only a single monitor save the extra cash and get 2gb. And also consider looking at GPUs that use the reference PCB for the 680 since it will have better out of the box cooling. And the waterblocks they have for the 680s are more abundant.

as for your ram, get 2x8gb. Leaves room for upgrades and also puts less stress on the memory controller then 4x4.

The PSU is overkill by a long shot. I would recommend 750w if you will SLI two cards, and 850w if you are going three way SLI. Will give you some OC headroom.

The h100 is a nice intro to watercooling, but at that price point I would consider an entry level water loop kit from XSPC. The Rasa 360s are nice but a bit pricier if you are only doing a CPU loop.

For your case, I would look into full sized towers if you can find room for them. Much nicer to work in and can actually fit all of your watercooling gear nicely. (if you are planning on bringing 2 GPUs in the loop you will want that radiator room). I use the NZXT Switch 810 case and love it. Any full sized case will do though, find something that looks good to you. Corsair, NZXT are both great case makers and look into any of the HAF cases too. A little more in your face design compared to the Switch but still a great case.
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post #3 of 13
A tip: If you plan on having a side window, invest in LED lighting for your case. NZXT makes great kits in all sorts of colors (I prefer white). Also, get a color scheme in your case that you like. I'm a sucker for red/white/black and is also why I love the Maximus series of mobos by Asus. Consider doing a custom sleeving job on your PSU cables as well. I recommend using MDPC's sleeves, though they are pretty hard to get a hold of.


Here are my recommendations:

CPU/Mobo: I would go with Ivy Bridge honestly, you wont be using any of that horsepower unless you're running a server.

Motherboards to consider:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131858
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131854
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131821

Get a 3770k for your CPU, best performance/core/price out there right now IMO.

Case:
That case could be better for a higher end build. I personally love the NZXT Switch, but hate its gloss. I recommend its Matte Black edition even if the colors are slightly off between the metal and door. Another case is of course the 800D, but it really is awful for air cooling in comparison to some of Cooler Master's and the Switch for higher end. HAF X is another good case to look at, but I'm not a fan of its design. wink.gif

Cases to consider:
(Consider this in the other colors as well)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146089
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139001&Tpk=800d
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119225

Memory:
Consider your color theme when picking RAM. I also think that 16Gb is more than enough RAM for a few years, so I would get 4x4 for the aesthetics and the very slight performance jump using the extra bandwidth. Corsair Dominator is my personal favorite in terms of looks. Their platinum dominators are really cool looking IMO. It all just matters on how much you want to spend.

Memory to consider:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233305
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233143
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233230
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231429
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231503

GPU:
I would avoid crossfire unless you need to. I have 2x 6950's unlocked to 6970's so I have firsthand experience with xfire/SLI. Pro's are the added performance, cons are the microstutter and lack of reliable scaling between games. I would get a 7970/680 only since you wont need anything more for what you're doing. If you need more performance, you have the option to add a second GPU which makes it more future proof to go with a single card. It also bumps the price down. There's no way you will need that amount of GPU performance.

GPU's to consider:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130768
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130794
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102961

PSU:
Get a 750W or 850W fully modular Seasonic or Corsair. The reason I like Corsair for PSU's is their design and that they use Seasonic hardware. 1000W is overkill - I know, I have one rolleyes.gif.

PSU's to consider:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139015
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151102&Tpk=seasonic

Note: Good choice on the fans; Scythe GT's are no longer king IMO. Corsair nailed design/noise/performance/price. I wouldn't change those fans to anything else. Also, everything I didn't go over looks fine to me.

Geez, talk about a big post... redface.gif
Edited by theloneplant - 8/10/12 at 1:22am
post #4 of 13
Thread Starter 
I have had to retype most of this three times because I was doing it on an Ipad and it automatically refreshes pages after awhile. So I'm doing it on a computer now.

Thank you both of you for replying and replying so fast! smile.gif

To xRehab:
I don't think I must be on the x79 platform but I guess it is nice, the 3770k will I genuinely not notice the loss of two cores and some cache? I don't think I will custom loop to scared of leaking, maybe next time. Only 1 monitor so 2gb it is. By look for 670s with a 680 pcb do you mean the evga 670 ftw? Ok even though the seasonic 1000w is a great psu it is too big. Going to stay with the h100 only going to do CPU watercooling. I'll look at a full tower, I don't like the front face of the haf cases just really ugly in my opinion.

To theloneplant:
Those LEDs look so nice in either white or orange, the white looks cleaner though. I will think about colors now smile.gif. I will not be custom sleeving my cables, I could not find the mdpc 1s at a local retailer or local website. Again will i not notice 2 cores and cache lost? I think I will go 16gb 2x8 I don't think I will need more then 16gb for a long time. I will look into the full towers. I am avoiding crossfire already, I will get one card and upgrade to a 2nd if I need. Ok I already had looked at that 850w corsair professional series before, just I never knew the amount I needed. But are you sure the Seasonic platinum 860w is still too much, I really like it and platinum will save me electricity.

Yay I got the fans right! They better be worth it I'm paying around $82 aud + postage for 4 fans if I get them frown.gif I hate Australian pricing.

Yes your right, talk about a big post

New Questions:
is it worth getting a gtx 680 instead of a 670?
post #5 of 13
If you will only be gaming and using the PC for general work applications then a 3930k is wayyy overkill. You will only use tho two extra cores when benching or when compiling a lot of code. Or if you are doing some serious rendering in CAD, Rhino, Sony Vegas, etc... Most people don't need the extra cores, and the ones who do know they need those cores right out of the gate. A 3770K will be perfect for you, and you will be set for a while before you need to think about upgrading. And 16gb of ram will last you long enough to pick up another 16gb when it is dirt cheap and you finally need a bit of an upgrade.

Yes I was referring to the 670 FTW edition GPU, but it is not the only one which uses a longer 680 PCB on the 670 card. It is the one I am currently using though, and I swear by EVGA. They have only done wonders for me since I did my first build and until that changes I will use it until I die, or I can get an insane deal on another card.

Honestly, if you don't plan on SLI or Xfire in the future then a 750w will be more the adequate for you. Actually a 650w will probably be sufficient and give you OC headroom. As far as the money you would save using a platinum PSU over a regular 80plus Bronze is minimal. Unless you are folding 24/7 and using up all the available power from a 1400w Platinum PSU you wont save more then $20. Don't have the actual calculations but I remember going through the same dilemma as you when I did my last build and someone explained how little you actually save. Yes it is money saved, but does it really pay for spending so much extra on a PSU? Most of the time the answer is no.

Personally I hate the look of HAF cases too, but some people love them and they do offer great airflow so it is worth a look. To me they just look too childish. Something I would expect myself to be drooling over back when I was 15. If you want a more professional looking case and don't mind spending some money on it, consider the Lian Li cases. Amazing build quality, super clean, and just some of the best cases made. Period.

As for the 670 vs 680, if you can afford it I would get a 680 for the e-peen tongue.gif logically you should just get a 670, since it can compete with the 680 when OC'd (I think I remember reading it benches somewhere around 10-15% less then a 680 when OC'd though the numbers could be wrong. I just know they are pretty close and most people cant justify the $100 to jump to the 680 for minimal performance gain).

hoped this all helped, and if you need links to anything just ask. I am sure we can round them up for you thumb.gif
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post #6 of 13
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I might do some video rendering and editing, might try out commenting games, or making montages or clips of my games played. I also might be doing 3D graphing down the track. But would the 3770k still suffice? I have never used a single EVGA product in my life, so I really only know what you tell me of their quality. I do folding at home type things quite often (24/7), but it is usually BOINC not folding. Yes I do intend to do SLI so I don't want a 650w psu. I will look at the Lian Li cases.

New Questions:
1. What is e-peen?
2. As I do, do BOINC (similar to folding at home) all the time would the psu be worth it (Seasonic platinum 860w)?
3. Am I allowed to do SLI with a gtx 680 and a gtx 670?

Is there a difference between the EVGA FTW and the EVGA classified (for the gtx 680) other than a slightly higher clock speed? When it says EVGA 680 FTW with backplate what does that mean and what does a backplate do?

EDIT: I found the difference the classified has a better fan, clock-speed and a special bios for when doing LN2 or Ice cooling.

EDIT: I just found that there is not just the Corsair AF120 fans but there are also AF140 fans should I choose those instead?
Edited by Dehatitated - 8/10/12 at 10:27pm
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Originally Posted by Dehatitated View Post

I might do some video rendering and editing, might try out commenting games, or making montages or clips of my games played. I also might be doing 3D graphing down the track. But would the 3770k still suffice? I have never used a single EVGA product in my life, so I really only know what you tell me of their quality. I do folding at home type things quite often (24/7), but it is usually BOINC not folding. Yes I do intend to do SLI so I don't want a 650w psu. I will look at the Lian Li cases.
New Questions:
1. What is e-peen?
2. As I do, do BOINC (similar to folding at home) all the time would the psu be worth it (Seasonic platinum 860w)?
3. Am I allowed to do SLI with a gtx 680 and a gtx 670?
Is there a difference between the EVGA FTW and the EVGA classified (for the gtx 680) other than a slightly higher clock speed? When it says EVGA 680 FTW with backplate what does that mean and what does a backplate do?
EDIT: I found the difference the classified has a better fan, clock-speed and a special bios for when doing LN2 or Ice cooling.
EDIT: I just found that there is not just the Corsair AF120 fans but there are also AF140 fans should I choose those instead?

Yes, the 3770k will still be up to the task. It will perform worse than the 3930k in folding, but on most other things the performance difference will be negligible. EVGA is the most reputable brand for Nvidia cards, Sapphire is for AMD cards. Those are generally the ones you will want to get, but again that doesn't rule out all other options.

1. E-peen is basically having good hardware to show off, regardless of whether you need it or not; it's basically a status symbol for tech.
2. Getting a platinum series PSU is entirely up to you. You don't need that power, in fact, you only really need 750W of quality power to do 2x SLI/Xfire. If you want to invest the extra money in better efficiency, no one is stopping you and it will be better, but it isn't completely necessary. At the end of the day, this is your build and you get to do what you want. thumb.gif
3. Not completely sure with Nvidia cards, but with AMD you can Xfire certain models with other kinds. Getting two identical cards will result in the best performance, but I think it's possible with Nvidia as well.

This is the AMD Xfire chart just for reference:
http://sites.amd.com/PublishingImages/Public/Graphic_Illustrations/WebBannerJPEG/AMD_CrossfireX_Chart_1618W.jpg

In terms of RAM, if you go with 2x8Gb and you want to upgrade in the future, you should buy the same model of RAM to ensure compatibility. I would keep their original packaging for sure just for future reference.

A backplate for a GPU does three main things: increases structural integrity, lowers temps slightly, and looks cool! biggrin.gif

In terms of fans, the AF140 will give you better performance, so if you can afford it, it may be worth it. The NZXT Switch I know has a lot of open 140mm slots available, so it is certainly doable.
post #8 of 13
Thread Starter 
The EVGA FTW 680 looks very nice but very pricey. $795 for that or $729 for the asus gtx 680 cu II TOP. So much money frown.gif. I will try to get the AF140 fans. If I get the 3930 wouldn't it be a lot more future proof? Same with being on the x79 platform more future proof. After this build I don't want to have to build another computer for a long time, at least a few years 4 + if possible. I looked at the cases the switch 810 looks really nice I'm going to use it.

Updated Build:
Case: NZXT switch 810 not sure white or black probably matte black
PSU: Seasonic Platinum 860w
RAM: 16GB 2x8GB Corsair 1600hz
GPU: EVGA gtx 680 w/ backplate
CPU: 3930 or 3770k
Motherboard: Sabertooth x79 or Sabertooth z77
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100
SSD: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB
Disk Bay: LG CH12LS28
Hard Drive: Western Digital 1T black 7200rpm
Monitor: Crossover 27Q LED-P
Fans: 2x Corsair air series SP120 quiet edition
2x Corsair air series AF140 quiet edition
LEDs: NZXT LED Sleeve Kit Orange or White

Also on this website for your computer can you also ask about mice, keyboards and headsets?

Still no-one has answered about a good sound card frown.gif
Edited by Dehatitated - 8/11/12 at 6:48am
post #9 of 13
I am not sure if there is a place in AUS. that offers the Samsung 30nm ram but i would grab two kits equaling 16gb, as for case go with the 810 switch or the corsair 800d / Cosmos 2. I would go with 3930k if you are are going to do rendering / video editing. Save some money and go for the gxt 670 there is no need to go 680, just save the extra money and buy a better watercooling setup like a Raystorm Rx360. Sound card i would go with the ASUS Xonar Essence STX, everything else looks good maybe go back to the 1000w seasonic since this is no average build so you want some headroom for upgrades in the future.
post #10 of 13
Sorry if I missed this but what's your budget, in AUD?
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