[VB] Game developers hate Windows 8, Microsoft responds - Page 23  

GOOD LORD. There was no heap protection in the past?????!?!?!?@#?!@#K!@#Owaenfawefknawejklvmanepodvmapovmawdvawdv

Well, at least they have it now.

It's always fun inventing new things to make something look better than what was used in the past. We lived for a long time without all that stuff that windows 8 is bringing to the table and up until just a little while ago we didn't even know we needed that stuff. Genius marketing.

Every single line item in that PDF is a security improvement, Heap handle protection is a HUGE improvement that security prfessionals have been requesting from as far back as windows 2000 (and possibly before)While ther was protecton on the HEAP ther was no protection on the actual process for that protection (you could attack the process that was protecting the HEAP stack) Just because you are unaware of the issues does not make them less important technicaly.
Edited by Nivacs - 8/15/12 at 11:51am

It can be the greatest most secure OS in the world if it has issues on the user end people won't like it. The fact that is secure is great I don't think anyone is knocking Microsoft for the security and internals of it. The issues come from the everyday use side of the OS. that is what people don't like. I have to use windows 8 pre-release at work for a couple hours a day and now I have it at home and Its annoying to say the least. Ugh full screen start menu? My desktop isn't a small touch screen tablet so why do I have to deal with a tablet style main screen? and what would it hurt to be able to disable it? None but Microsoft is going to cram it down our throats because that is really the only option and they know people can't switch to anything else.

Has anyone tried simply putting the "Show desktop" app in the Startup folder to boot straight to the desktop? Microsoft blocked the .scf method of doing this, but I haven't tried just throwing the app into the startup folder so it can just launch immediately upon boot.

The show desktop app is in: C:\Users\Default\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch

The startup folder path is C:\Users\YOUR_USERNAME\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Startup

I'm going to reboot now and see if Start8 follows through and does that. But, the replaced Start Menu sucks. It sin't the Start Menu

EDIT:

Just reconnected all my other drives. Only the DVD drive is showing in Windows 8. They're not in Disk Maanagement or "Storage Spaces" Fail.

They, of course, still in Windows 7.

EDIT 2:

Start8 doesn't show the desktop on boot.

I had to install my chipset drivers to see the rest of my drives (never had to do that before).
Edited by Rubers - 8/15/12 at 2:15pm

The problem is one of Windows 8 being, at least in part, a closed platform. Do you really want an integrated Microsoft store in your desktop version of Windows 8? That would be like being forced to have Origin or Steam installed on your computer, whether you wanted it or not.

The mobile versions will be truly closed, with only software purchased through the Microsoft store available to the end user. Android is more like traditional, open Windows, in the mobile space than Microsoft's mobile OS. For that reason I think it will end up succeeding like Windows did in the mobile space.

In any case, a closed OS is a terrible thing for end users.

Creative Audio drivers that work, anyone?

Nobody is forcing you to look at the appstore. What's the big deal? Literally every other major OS (mobile, tablet, desktop, INCLUDING Ubuntu) in existence has an app market or appstore built in. You can still install whatever non-appstore software you want. As for being locked down, there are free apps on the appstore and a good friend of mine, who develops a program called "Metrotwit" has assured me that it's easy as pie to get on the appstore. Just some verification. What's the big deal here?

Looks like there's no benefit for you to switch to Windows 8. Can't really call it an upgrade if nothing you use works any better, can you?

I prefer neither. Don't use the start menu, don't have a cluttered desktop. Rainmeter plus RocketDock with Stacks docklet. Clean and efficient. Here are a few screenshots of my desktop: Screenshots (Click to show)
It's not really that bad of an analogy. What he's saying is that while your opinion may be of value to you, it should not - and does not - carry any weight with someone who is not yourself. Your Windows 8 experience is not statistically viable. You only have 15 minutes of experience with it, by your own admission. How much of it could you possibly experience in 15 minutes? Your sample size is too small to carry any amount of weight with anyone except yourself. So stop trying to convince everyone who has used it significantly more than you that it's crap because you don't have the patience to figure out how to use something that is unfamiliar to you. Hell, it took me almost 10 minutes to find the control panel. Was it frustrating? You bet your ass it was. But instead of immediately giving up and uninstalling it, I google'd how to get to the control panel and then made a shortcut to it. Can I assume you also haven't given linux more than 15 minutes, either? It takes more than 15 minutes to learn anything.

I've asked this several times and have yet to get an answer. What the hell does Aero offer that isn't in Windows 8? Jumplists? Win8 has them. Transparency? Win8 has that as well. Window snapping? That's there too. Pin to taskbar? That still exists as well. Window peeking? Yep, still there. Window shaking? Still minimizes everything else. The only thing that comes to mind is the fancy document flipper thing that sorta tried to be Exposé but wasn't quite as useful. And I never used it because while it looked nice, it wasn't any more efficient than the standard Alt+Tab. If that's the only thing changed, then nothing of value was lost.