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post #21 of 30
8/15/12 at 9:52pm
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There's quite a nice selection of laptops with hybrid crossfire, man. Hovering at the $800 mark.
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The ability to buy a second card after the initial purchase of an OEM box can be a player in this situation and Intel has nothing to battle in that arena.

Yes, to us enthusiasts and gamers, these multi-GPU laptops and desktops are important and desirable. But when the OEMs report that they sold 305 million desktops, notebooks, and servers in 2009 alone (not including phones or tablets!), do you think PC gaming hardware (including pre-built) would even make up a single percent of those figures?

You guys make valid points, but you're not looking at the bigger picture. Fusion/HSA/GPGPU isn't about budget gaming PCs, it's about radically changing modern processor design for a huge leap forward in efficiency, power and possibilities.

Currently, there is an Intel CPU + discrete GPU setup that matches the power and budget for most of AMD's APUs. Intel has nothing to worry about yet. And how many people buy OEM desktops with the intention of buying additional hardware for gaming? I could probably fit them all in my house. An OEM Sandy Bridge Pentium/Celeron system can get a cost-effective graphics power boost just like the OEM Llano system (albeit not as much).

I've said it before and i'll say it again: if AMD strikes gold with its plans, Intel won't be focused on designing budget gaming solutions.
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8/15/12 at 10:08pm
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See, this is why I absolutely love where AMD is going, especially HSA.
This is exactly the kind of thing that will make technology cheaper for everyone so that more people can take advantage - even those buying Intel processors.

Moreso of Intel would participate in something of the sort, since HSA is going to put them far behind AMD.  We will see a near future where apps optimized with HSA will be performing several times better on AMD processors than on Intel processors, unless they can come up with something similar.

Intel is trying to follow with the recent improvement on the HD graphics series, but they're still way behind AMD in that aspect. Not to mention their drivers horribly suck in terms of optimization!

As a counter point, AMD's CPUs are many generations behind Intel's. Intel can still, as easily, team up with nvidia and just generate a IGPU to be able to handle basic operations. This way, they maintain much better average performance for what people use their devices for while using much less power and allowing the user to use more demanding tasks when needed.

I hope AMD can pull through with their goal here. By the time it runs around, I wonder how it would perform against it's competitors still.
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8/15/12 at 10:11pm
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Intel can still, as easily, team up with nvidia
I don't think this is as easy as you think it is.
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8/15/12 at 10:17pm
i think this is what is going to keep amd afloat if they last these tough times... i currently have a llano a6, and it performs very well for the price i payed. the integrated graphics where much better than i thought they would be. long story short i was simply amazed.
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Originally Posted by Domino View Post


As a counter point, AMD's CPUs are many generations behind Intel's. Intel can still, as easily, team up with nvidia and just generate a IGPU to be able to handle basic operations. This way, they maintain much better average performance for what people use their devices for while using much less power and allowing the user to use more demanding tasks when needed.

I hope AMD can pull through with their goal here. By the time it runs around, I wonder how it would perform against it's competitors still.

Wow I was not aware it was that easy to slap a gpu and cpu on the same die with shared resources. You sir must be the greatest of all Electrical Engineers and making billions of dollars a year for your genius. rolleyes.gif
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8/16/12 at 3:48am
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Intel can still, as easily, team up with nvidia
I don't think this is as easy as you think it is.

Nvidia has been soldering their GPUs on boards with Intel chips for awhile; where have you been?
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8/16/12 at 4:36am
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Nvidia has been soldering their GPUs on boards with Intel chips for awhile; where have you been?

You're obviously woke up yesterday or you are totally ignorant, wink.gif and then write such nonsense It is very obvious that you do not know what is AMD APU/Fusion and what it actually means.For example i3 2100 or i5 2500K or i5 3350 are not APU processors, just because you have a graphics core on it if by chance you did not know that. rolleyessmileyanim.gifbiggrin.gif
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8/16/12 at 5:55am
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You're obviously woke up yesterday or you are totally ignorant, wink.gif and then write such nonsense It is very obvious that you do not know what is AMD APU/Fusion and what it actually means.For example i3 2100 or i5 2500K or i5 3350 are not APU processors, just because you have a graphics core on it if by chance you did not know that. rolleyessmileyanim.gifbiggrin.gif

i'm assuming he meant soldering nvidia gpu's to intel motherboards
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8/16/12 at 7:01am
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You're obviously woke up yesterday or you are totally ignorant, wink.gif and then write such nonsense It is very obvious that you do not know what is AMD APU/Fusion and what it actually means.For example i3 2100 or i5 2500K or i5 3350 are not APU processors, just because you have a graphics core on it if by chance you did not know that. rolleyessmileyanim.gifbiggrin.gif

Feel free then to define what an APU is, because for all I care it's GPU + CPU on the same die.

Edit: Oh gee what do you know....APU on wiki says Intel HD graphics qualifies. Common sense anyways since an on-die gpu accelerates video decoding.
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8/16/12 at 2:59pm
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Nvidia has been soldering their GPUs on boards with Intel chips for awhile; where have you been?
If you think that is in any way related to HSA...then, okay.
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