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Originally Posted by Sapientia View Post

I don't think it's because GK104 is yielding poorly or 28nm has issues but rather Nvidia isn't getting as many wafers as they'd like to and thus isn't getting as many chips out of it to meet demand.
A part of the problem is yield issues from Jen-Hsun Huang himself.
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'But obviously it's a combination of allocation, yield and the market demand,' he explained, 'and so those are a lot of variables.'
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Does TSMC produce AMD's chips as well? I'd hate to see the whole market slow down (thus delaying any possible price drops).

At least AMD has the option of using GlobalFoundries if the need arises. NVIDIA is fabless and relies entirely on TSMC.
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Which is why I'm going for the 8950, because like my 7950, the AMD cards will come out expensive and will come down in price. My 7950 was under $300 and I imagine the 8950 will also be a better value for money.
Not to say that GK110 won't be awesome.

Sorry if I end up sounding like one of those "GTX 680 WAS MEANT TO BE THE 660!!!!" guys, but the 8950 is in a sense actually replacing the 7970. With the 8000 series comes the first "XTX" part since the X1900XTX; ever since the 2900XT the top cards have been labeled "XT" -- for example, Tahiti XT, aka the 7970. The HD 8900 series will be called "Venus", and as far as we know there will be three versions: XTX, XT, and Pro. Tahiti XT = 7970, Tahiti Pro = 7950. Presumably, 8970 = Venus XTX, 8950 = Venus XT, 8930 = Venus Pro. AMD will probably charge like $600 for Venus XTX and have it placed in a class of its own, and the 8930 or whatever Venus Pro will be named will take on the same value as the 7950 whereas the 8950 will take the place of the 7970 and the 8970 will take the place of the 7970 GHz Edition.

Of course I'm probably babbling irrelevant incoherent nonsense in the middle of the night and what I'm saying makes no sense, but my 2 cents anyway.
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Wait...so does this mean all the GPU prices will go up regardless of AMD or NVIDIA?

 

So AMD will jack up the prices because NVIDIA is talking about there's a shortage of chips?

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A part of the problem is yield issues from Jen-Hsun Huang himself.
If GK104 is suffering from poor yields it is entirely not TSMC's fault. Not only do they say their 28nm process is yielding well but no one else seems to speak of the yield issues JHH speaks of.
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At least AMD has the option of using GlobalFoundries if the need arises. NVIDIA is fabless and relies entirely on TSMC.
If they wanted a crap chip, sure. tongue.gif
AMD just severed their contracts with GloFo so they could get AWAY from them.
Also, AMD taking any of their chips to a GloFo process would also be incredibly expensive and time consuming.
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Sorry if I end up sounding like one of those "GTX 680 WAS MEANT TO BE THE 660!!!!" guys, but the 8950 is in a sense actually replacing the 7970. With the 8000 series comes the first "XTX" part since the X1900XTX; ever since the 2900XT the top cards have been labeled "XT" -- for example, Tahiti XT, aka the 7970. The HD 8900 series will be called "Venus", and as far as we know there will be three versions: XTX, XT, and Pro. Tahiti XT = 7970, Tahiti Pro = 7950. Presumably, 8970 = Venus XTX, 8950 = Venus XT, 8930 = Venus Pro. AMD will probably charge like $600 for Venus XTX and have it placed in a class of its own, and the 8930 or whatever Venus Pro will be named will take on the same value as the 7950 whereas the 8950 will take the place of the 7970 and the 8970 will take the place of the 7970 GHz Edition.
Of course I'm probably babbling irrelevant incoherent nonsense in the middle of the night and what I'm saying makes no sense, but my 2 cents anyway.
That's a rumor.
Not in the slightest incoherent though.
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That's a rumor.
Not in the slightest incoherent though.

I thought the codenames were confirmed by someone looking around in beta driver files?
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I thought the codenames were confirmed by someone looking around in beta driver files?
....They did? I must have missed it. an XTX part wouldn't make sense to me because they already have three codenames (XT, Pro, LE)
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....They did? I must have missed it. an XTX part wouldn't make sense to me because they already have three codenames (XT, Pro, LE)

LE usually means more than just lower-end, though. It usually means a terribly dysfunctional chip that will run just as hot and consume just as much power while being stripped of a quarter of its resources. XTX usually means a top card that demolishes competition, like the X1950XTX.

Then again, they brought back the FX brand on the CPU side, look how well that went rolleyes.gif
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Relief is in sight, however. 'Yields are improving, and we'd like them to improve even faster because when you improve yield faster with our wafer-buy business model that we talked about some three quarters ago, your units grow and your margins grow,' Huang explained. 'So we really need TSMC, and they're working really, really hard to improve yield because it's good for everybody, and so we need them to really focus on that.'.

This is why there is no GK110, yet.

Recently TSMC went from charging Nvidia only for working chips to charging per wafer start. I'm sure that margins on big, complex, low yielding chips plummeted.
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Originally Posted by CramComplex View Post

Wait...so does this mean all the GPU prices will go up regardless of AMD or NVIDIA?

So AMD will jack up the prices because NVIDIA is talking about there's a shortage of chips?

Thats exactly what will happen and Ive been calling this since the beginning of this generation.. There is price collusion going on and its about to get nasty.


Hope you boys enjoyed your 400 dollar GPUs... Its about to be 800 dollars for single top of the line and probably 1500 to 1800 for double solutions.
 
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