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Originally Posted by Usario View Post

LE usually means more than just lower-end, though. It usually means a terribly dysfunctional chip that will run just as hot and consume just as much power while being stripped of a quarter of its resources. XTX usually means a top card that demolishes competition, like the X1950XTX.
Then again, they brought back the FX brand on the CPU side, look how well that went rolleyes.gif
Why not just shift the names so the XT chip is the winner and the LE chip doesn't suck? Still, I'd like to see if they're willing to go all the way. Are they going to build Venus to be the 500+mm^2 behemoth to fight GK110? I really don't know. I've never seen AMD so confident in their architecture though.
We do not speak of FX. ph34r-smiley.gif
Maybe they should release some 'FXF' CPUs?
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Originally Posted by erunion View Post

This is why there is no GK110, yet.
Recently TSMC went from charging Nvidia only for working chips to charging per wafer start. I'm sure that margins on big, complex, low yielding chips plummeted.
The story is probably much more complex than that.
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Originally Posted by Darkpriest667 View Post

Thats exactly what will happen and Ive been calling this since the beginning of this generation.. There is price collusion going on and its about to get nasty.
Hope you boys enjoyed your 400 dollar GPUs... Its about to be 800 dollars for single top of the line and probably 1500 to 1800 for double solutions.
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Doesn't sound too good in terms of prices falling. Only Nvidia knows what the situation really is with yields, and there's no knowing if AMD is in the same boat. By profits it sure doesn't look like either company is making a dime in gaming graphics.
AMD can tell us how AMDs yields are doing. And they say they're not having any problems. Pretty vague, but not problematic.
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post #32 of 35
They can say whatever they want and it doesn't necessarily resonate with reality or what Nvidia thinks as bad yields. The truth is that forum rumors about yields are useless in making any assumptions about the competitive situation.

AFAIK AMD already stated that the next gen is Sea Islands, so the code names should be islands still for the desktop. Not that it matters at all really.
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There are plenty of games that need this horsepower when you start increasing:
Resolution
AA
AF
Ambient Occlusion
Texture Filtering Quality
etc
You can also tweak many games to increase view distance and other settings that will bring your 480 to single digit numbers with ease. Not everyone just sets max game settings and doesn't force higher settings in the drivers. If you are getting by with your 480, then great, I would be hitting myself hard. I upgraded from a 580 and felt it was worth it, after resell it was $200.

He's sort of got a point though. If you bought a 480 at release and another sometime in the last year you'd be pretty much maxing absolutely everything. You'd run into one or two games where VRAM would be a limitation though no doubt.

For me I find the high-end 'sweet spot' is two high-end cards with an Intel quad w/o hyperthreading with a single moniter. Set up will allow you to max games and in many cases throw some supersampling on top but at the same time will not completely destroy your bank account.
    
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I dont want to hear this, their stock has gone nowhere in the six months since I bought it!!! Come on boys, make me some money!!!! tongue.gif
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But obviously it's a combination of allocation, yield and the market demand,' he explained, 'and so those are a lot of variables.'

For some reason I read that as "We are doing something intentionally to impact availability, thus keeping our pricing high" . Not sure why I am reading it that way, but that is just how it seems to come across.
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'So far market demand [for our 28nm parts] seems very strong,'

Is he not sure how well his company is doing? Do they not track how well their products are selling? I suppose he could have used the word in a more casual manner, and not the manner of knowing their position in the market.

In the end I suppose all of what I am saying in the above can be discredited, as I feel what Nvidia did with their price points was a bit shady.
    
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