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Hey folks. I'm here to tell you about the complete overhaul I did on my AMD Radeon HD 6450 1gb DDR3 engineering sample, on a bargain basement budget. I know, this card is a hoopdie and most people would just go and buy a better one, but as you can guess from title I'm here to help those who aren't financially inclined to upgrade. Maybe you don't have enough money. Maybe you found this card on the curb and just want to screw with it. Maybe your buddy gave you his old system and was like, "yea you could probably get more life out of it if you update the graphics card."

Maybe I'm just impressed with myself for having geek-modded something for the first time.

It all started when I found out that an old game is being reincarnated as a free MMO (if you're wondering which, it involves giant combat robots stomping around and killing each other 1000 years in the future). My PC barely, I mean just barely, meets the minimum requirements, so I figured I would need a boost.
Up to this point I hadn't even heard of overclocking, but as an avid customizer and general "mcguyver"er, I was just blown up to find out about the whole thing. So I set about researching everything I could find on the subject, and I eventually came to the conclusion that I had just enough extra 'fetti to overclock the GPU on my hand-me-down computer, as I may have alluded to earlier. Anyway, I set off to get'r done, and I did biggrin.gif. Here is a detailing of how a newbie modder managed to get an 83% improvement in performance out of an old AMD, on a minimum budget.

First of all this card is not the best one out there. I'm not going to respond to anyone who decides to point that out. There are some things it has going for it though:

-it's low on voltage
-it can roast like a duck and still keep ticking. I swear this thing would fry so bad in the summer with it's stock 'sink that the CPU fan would crank all the way up to high just to deal with the heat inside the case. This was before OC'ing btw. And yet all you would see was a few fps knocked off the top. And I don't need to hear that I was just lucky. I logged 200+ hours of Skyrim this way.
-apparently, CCC doesn't recognize the upper limit of the memory clock. And nevermind that of the processor, stock is set to some ridiculously unattainable number, into the upper hundreds of GHz.
-No need to flash the BIOS

Limitations I found (besides the obvious slowness overall):

-it's low profile (small).. this makes it hard to find a good heatsink for it.
- the 'sink mounting points are an odd size (63-66mm, have you ever tried measuring millimeters accurately?). I only found 1 aftermarket heatsink out there with the holes to fit it out of the box. and it's not a good one. Of course, this is where a little of that ghetto engineering I talk about comes in...

I used a Titan TTC-CUV3AB (DIY) instead, cuz it's all copper, and would fit on the board. The mounting brackets didn't come in the right size, so I drilled a hole in one of them to fit it (gonna need a carbide bit to do this). I didn't think this would be enough, so I also got an Evercool SB Fox Case Fan to sit directly against the GPU cooler. With adapters this whole setup cost less than $25, and that's after I realized the Fox had a pass-thru MOLEX connector. I'm sure there's a better setup if you can drill holes in things (NOT THE CARD, FOOL! THE HEATSINK!) and have room for one of those off-set coolers that stands away from the pins, but of course you wouldn't spend more on a kit than you would on the card.

Now, none of this is needed if you want to get a little bump up. I found the speeds to reach around 700/650 (no temperature increase) without any volt-modding.

VOLT-MODDING!? Yea, you're gonna need that if you want to make this worth your time. I found mAlkAv!An's tutorial extremely helpful (if you look, you can see me derping all over his thread about this). Upon examining my card, I found that the voltage regulator for the memory on the 1Gb card is positioned at the back of the card, and on the bottom instead. It was the same model as the main chip, but now don't expect it to be the same on yours. I recognized it as a regulator chip because of the secondary "Ausgangscondensator" above it. The resistor layout was different but the 6th pin resistor was still the one to pencil in. Again, I am not a legal entity of any fortitude whatsoever, take my word for it at your own risk. The stock resistance was different on the memory power (~5Kohm) from the one on the main (~8Kohm), so I made my best effort to reduce them more or less proportionally. I found that reducing the main to around 5.6Kohm, and the memory to 4.3Kohm was the best for my cooling setup. I first managed to push it to 5.2/4.1, which is when I found out that the card takes a performance hit around 75°C (meaning max speeds were reduced here- the card would run fine up to 75, then decide it no longer had the juice and started bugging), so if you want to take the chance you'll either need to reduce the MHz or get a better cooling system (which kinda kills the point of all this).

As far as software goes, I tried all different combinations and versions of MSI, CCC, Atitool, some other ones that didn't work at all, etc. Strange enough, I found that CCC 11.5 was all I needed. How's that you say? I would just reinstall it (and the drivers) when I reached my limit, and voila, there goes more room on the slider.

So, after all this, the REAL...

AMD Radeon HD6450 Ghetto Engineering Sample final specs:



@70°C, on an old Gateway PC.

What it is. I'm satisfied, and getting all ramped up for my next project in overclocking. Till next time, ghettofiers.
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Pics and benchmark scores before/after, please smile.gif
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Yeah, I want to see the card.
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Very impressive. I'd love to see some benchmarks with those clocks. Fancy doing a little review on your card?
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Yea, well, the Furmarks didn't change rolleyes.gif but I prefer that program cuz it seems to be the best at measuring stability. It always konks out before the card does. A canary in the mine, so to speak. If you all can recommend a more "suitable" benchmark program for my card I'd be happy to put them up.

As for pics, sure, I'll get em up, some time around 7-8 EST.

Review? I'm not familiar with the standards for that around here. Where are those usually posted?
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Furmark didn't change? Not at all?
Something's wrong, man. Check if your OC holds.
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wow... very well done...
Please post some benchmarks
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Good job for getting the most performance out of a low-end card... I have fond memories of trying to squeeze every last FPS out of my HD 4550. I even took a fan from an older card and mounted it on the passive cooler by forcing the screws between the fins. smile.gif
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Furmark didn't change? Not at all?
Something's wrong, man. Check if your OC holds.
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Ya. Furmark didn't change cuz at stock I got like, 2fps, and so with an ~80% improvement, I don't think it's enough to make a difference. For serious though, if anyone knows a passmark that was common say, back in the day a bit, let me know and I'll set that one up for yuz. Might be a more accurate reading for this card.

Anyway, here goes the pictures:



Thar she blows. I the cooler lids (I got 4 of them in the set) all look like the hubs of some cheezy skateboard wheels.



The back. You can see a bit better here that it's only a little more than half the width of a standard PC slot. The chip just north of the CRT hookup (which is removable btw) is the main power regulator, and the one just to the right of the bottom right heatsink is the secondary.



This is what happens when I try to take closeup pictures, in closeup mode, on the chitty digicam I have. like I said earlier, you can see a proper diagram of the power chips at mAlkAv!An's post about the 512. Note that the secondary is the same as the main, but the resistor layout is different. You should still be able to tell which one is lead to the 6th pin.



In the case. 1-slot case fan just below it. I went and bought this complex adapter to power up to 3 fans directly from the PSU but still give a readout on the CPU fan's header. Little did I know the case fan would come with a pass-thru molex plug, and the cooler also came with a pass-thru molex adapter with a 3-pin splitter, so I didn't even really need it. Still I plugged the cooler's fan into the header where the original case fan was, in order to control the speed, so the adapter gave me another place to plug the original case fan.

The card does have a 2-pin header, which I dismantled so I could try and hook the 3-pin fan directly to the card. But for the life of me, I can't get the card to control it. No matter, I just leave it on full speed anyway (it's quieter than the stock fans even so).
Edited by un-midas touch - 8/15/12 at 7:17pm
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