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post #21 of 30
8/15/12 at 6:48am
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From memory it is set on Auto but it has been enabled in the past. I will do what you mentioned the chance I get.

Much appreciated!

*edit*

I also have a question about Hyper-threading if it is worth the temperatures to have it enabled? There have only been a few time I have seen it put to use (converting files etc).
The reason I'm asking is because a few members of my group suggest turning it off because it is useless. And say I do disable it, what are the pros and cons?
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8/15/12 at 6:49am
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8/15/12 at 6:52am
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From memory it is set on Auto but it has been enabled in the past. I will do what you mentioned the chance I get.
Much appreciated!

 

It's a pleasure.  One way or another, we'll make it so that it never BSODs again like that.

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8/15/12 at 6:58am
Do you have speed step disabled? This lowers voltage to save power but only functions when at idle. That would explain why you were stable in prime but bsod while doing low level tasks.
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8/15/12 at 9:42pm
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Yes speed step is disabled.

Just a follow up to TwoCables.

At this point I have disabled HyperThreading just for temperature so just adding this into the mix.

I disabled LLC and booted into Windows fine. I ran a Prime95 and almost instantaneously I had a BSOD. I wasn't overly concerned thinking it surely had to do with the Vcore so I bumped it up a touch. Rebooted and another Prime95 followed by a BSOD this time maybe 10 seconds afterwards. 3rd time the same thing but it wasn't until a minute into Prime95 until I got a BSOD.

Trying to figure out why the hell I am getting these BSOD this time in a Prime95 when usually they're steady for hours I went into the BIOS and enabled LLC and gave it a crack. This time Prime95 had gone for a full 30 minutes. I was also taking notes on the Vcore usage for idle and then for load. Idle was 1.2 and load was 1.216. Still wanting to overcome the BSOD with LLC disabled I went back into the BIOS and disabled it. I loaded Windows, Prime95. It did BSOD but after about a minute and in that time I noticed the Vcore usage under load was actually lower then what it was idling...how can this be? Is this what to expect when disabling LLC?

So basically with LLC disabled my idle Vcore is higher then my load Vcore.

I am now running with LLC enabled and doing another Prime95 just to see how it pans out but I would really like to understand what the hell is happening!

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8/15/12 at 9:57pm
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Yes speed step is disabled.
Just a follow up to TwoCables.
At this point I have disabled HyperThreading just for temperature so just adding this into the mix.
I disabled LLC and booted into Windows fine. I ran a Prime95 and almost instantaneously I had a BSOD. I wasn't overly concerned thinking it surely had to do with the Vcore so I bumped it up a touch. Rebooted and another Prime95 followed by a BSOD this time maybe 10 seconds afterwards. 3rd time the same thing but it wasn't until a minute into Prime95 until I got a BSOD.
Trying to figure out why the hell I am getting these BSOD this time in a Prime95 when usually they're steady for hours I went into the BIOS and enabled LLC and gave it a crack. This time Prime95 had gone for a full 30 minutes. I was also taking notes on the Vcore usage for idle and then for load. Idle was 1.2 and load was 1.216. Still wanting to overcome the BSOD with LLC disabled I went back into the BIOS and disabled it. I loaded Windows, Prime95. It did BSOD but after about a minute and in that time I noticed the Vcore usage under load was actually lower then what it was idling...how can this be? Is this what to expect when disabling LLC?
So basically with LLC disabled my idle Vcore is higher then my load Vcore.
I am now running with LLC enabled and doing another Prime95 just to see how it pans out but I would really like to understand what the hell is happening!
Cheers
J

Vcore is too low under load if you are BSOD during Prime...Without LLC you get intel spec vdroop which is why your idle vcore is higher than under load.
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8/15/12 at 10:03pm
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•edit•

Running stable with LLC disabled. Been running the past 45 minutes in Prime95 and no lock ups or BSOD. Its funny I order to get the same load vcore as I was with LLC enabled I had to increase the vcore from 1.21 to about 1.25. Even with the big increase I am still getting similar good temps on load and just a little higher on idle which is understandable.

Will post an update of general usage after I finish with Prime95.
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8/16/12 at 2:42am
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This is exactly as I expected.  Load-Line Calibration is essentially a vDroop control, and what you discovered is that having it Enabled reverses vDroop and results in vRise.  This means that the full-load voltage is higher than the idle voltage.  So, disabling LLC allows for vDroop to do its thing just as Intel has designed which means the full-load voltage ends up being lower than the idle voltage.  That is why I said earlier that you will need to increase the voltage when you disable LLC in order to achieve the same full-load voltage that you had before when LLC was enabled.  It's a compensation.

 

Fortunately, raising the voltage setting in the BIOS does not mean that there is a higher voltage going through the CPU.  The actual voltage is the voltage you see in CPU-Z, so that's why the temps aren't any different.

 

In other words, what you experienced is normal because you didn't increase the voltage enough at first in order to compensate for the vDroop that is being allowed to occur by having LLC disabled.  There's nothing wrong with that because it's good to experience it like that (at least, that's how I feel about it).

 

So, as long as your full-load voltage is now back to where it was at when you had LLC enabled, your stability should be the same as it was.

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8/16/12 at 2:47am
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This is exactly as I expected.  Load-Line Calibration is essentially a vDroop control, and what you discovered is that having it Enabled reverses vDroop and results in vRise.  This means that the full-load voltage is higher than the idle voltage.  So, disabling LLC allows for vDroop to do its thing just as Intel has designed which means the full-load voltage ends up being lower than the idle voltage.  That is why I said earlier that you will need to increase the voltage when you disable LLC in order to achieve the same full-load voltage that you had before when LLC was enabled.  It's a compensation.

Fortunately, raising the voltage setting in the BIOS does not mean that there is a higher voltage going through the CPU.  The actual voltage is the voltage you see in CPU-Z, so that's why the temps aren't any different.

In other words, what you experienced is normal because you didn't increase the voltage enough at first in order to compensate for the vDroop that is being allowed to occur by having LLC disabled.  There's nothing wrong with that because it's good to experience it like that (at least, that's how I feel about it).

So, as long as your full-load voltage is now back to where it was at when you had LLC enabled, your stability should be the same as it was.

Thanks for elaborating on my poorly written one liner tongue.gif
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8/16/12 at 6:13am
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•edit•
Running stable with LLC disabled. Been running the past 45 minutes in Prime95 and no lock ups or BSOD. Its funny I order to get the same load vcore as I was with LLC enabled I had to increase the vcore from 1.21 to about 1.25. Even with the big increase I am still getting similar good temps on load and just a little higher on idle which is understandable.
Will post an update of general usage after I finish with Prime95.

Now try enabling EIST. You should be good since LLC off will give you a higher idle VCore. If not, you can either bump VCore a little more to get it stable, or just run EIST off, but IMO it's kind of silly to have a full OC during idle periods.
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G-Skill 4x4GB DDR3 1866 8-9-9-24@1.5V Samsung 840 Pro 128GB Agility 3 240GB x2 RAID 0 WD 500GB X2 RAID 0 
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XSPC Raystorm XSPC Dual Bay reservoir with Alphacool variable... Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 Full Copper Triple 120mm... EK GTX680 FTW waterblock 
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Windows 7 64 bit Ultimate HP tSS-25X11LED 25" 1080p PC Power&Cooling Silentpower 910W Xigmatek Elysium 
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Razer Deathadder 3500 Rocketfish Creative Sound Core3D Logitech Z5300 
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960T unlocked to X6 ASUS M4A79XTD Evo Sapphire HD6870 1GB 2x2GB Ripjaws 7-8-7-24 F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM  
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Crucial M4 128GB WD 320GB HDD Lite-On DVD-RW Corsair H100 
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Win 7 x64 Ultimate OCZ Stealthstream 600W HAF XB 
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Q9550 @ 4.3/1.344 24/7 EIST EP45-UD3P @506 FSB Gainward GTX 460 2x2GB GSkill 1100 
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120GB OCZ Vertex Plus 2x160GB WD RAID 0 Samsung DVD-RW Swiftech Apogee HD 
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Swiftech 120mm Radiator Swiftech reservior Windows 7 x64 Ultimate ACER 22" 
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Logitech Thermaltake Toughpower 750W w/ fan mod Antec 900, refinished white Logitech G300 
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