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Anyone else irked by "Games" being called "Xbox Games" ?

BTW, fully predicting it now, but the next Xbox is going to ship with a slightly stripped down version of Windows 8. Which will be good, but yeah.
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Anyone else irked by "Games" being called "Xbox Games" ?

Yes.
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Tired of hearing all of the crying about Windows 8, just like I tired of hearing it about Windows Vista. I've owned and used every Microsoft OS since 3.1, and they've all been good in their own way (and each usually had something bad about it too). Windows 8 has plenty of improvements (literally hundreds), and calling it crap because of a new UI for the start menu, and an optional marketplace, is silly. And no, I'm not talking about RT, that's an entirely different OS, just like iOS != OS X.

Haters gonna hate. Nobody is forcing you to upgrade.
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This has been my fear as well.
If Windows 8 turns out to be even remotely successful, Microsoft will then have a good enough reason to kill off "legacy" desktop and move over to a touchscreen interface completely. I really hope Valve lobbies other game studios, and even other studios not apart of Steam to start supporting Linux. Linux is truly a free OS.
This trend of moving everything to touchscreen is getting out of hand and its only happening because companies just want to cash in on the latest cash cow. Not because its a natural, logical transition. Not because people are ditching their desktops and laptops because the majority are not. They're happy with the performance of their current computers because they work just fine. No, its because companies like Microsoft want something new and shinny to make the masses scream "TAKE MAH MONIES" like Apple fanbois do.
Microsoft is envy of Apple and their closed systems. Able to put perfectly fine computers and OS versions out of date every two years to ensure mass upgrades and steady cash flow. Its greed. Its ridiculous.

It's a business. The entire point of a business is to make money, especially a public company. You make money by making your consumers happy, but money is still the primary goal to make your stockholders happy.

Just because something is a small market doesn't mean that it should be ignored. Enthusiasts are a small market, but Intel, AMD, and nVidia do not ignore them. And touchscreens are not just a small market, it's a small but growing rapidly market. Sure, it might not be sensible for desktops, but it's quickly becoming the interface of choice for mobile devices, even laptops. Since laptops are essentially mobile desktops, having a UI that caters to this group is logical. Making that UI able to work well with keyboards and mice is what Microsoft is attempting to do with Windows 8.

Windows 9 is NOT going to be touchscreen only. There's not enough hardware adoption of that on the desktop and even laptop side for that to make sense. Windows 8 is simply trying to provide a seamless experience between all Windows platforms. What we will most likely see is an improved UI based on Windows 8 feedback for better integration of touchscreen and keyboard/mouse usage in one UI.

Metro UI is NOT the only difference between Windows 7 and 8. There are a lot of under the hood features to improve performance and usability in basically every area. One such example is one I saw in another thread, where printers, whether it's on a network or attached directly, are found and installed automatically without user input. Faster boot times and lower overhead are other changes.

Highly doubt Windows 8 desktop would go close platform either. Too many third-party developers, and Microsoft would use a lot of users.
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Tired of hearing all of the crying about Windows 8, just like I tired of hearing it about Windows Vista. I've owned and used every Microsoft OS since 3.1, and they've all been good in their own way (and each usually had something bad about it too). Windows 8 has plenty of improvements (literally hundreds), and calling it crap because of a new UI for the start menu, and an optional marketplace, is silly. And no, I'm not talking about RT, that's an entirely different OS, just like iOS != OS X.
Haters gonna hate. Nobody is forcing you to upgrade.

No, Windows RT is a different architecture, but MS are quite open about how they want it all to be quite seemless.

And no mat,e trashing it down to the UI is very legit and I suggest you stop reading the internet if you're tired of seeing it.

I'm getting back to grips with it again right this minute and I'm hating every single second of it. Metro is stupid on a desktop. Simple as that. The removal of Aero just annoys me. This is a tablet OS through and through and it's a damn shame because I've been behind every Windows OS since 95 and I've loved them all (including Vista) but this is pure trash.
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It's a business. The entire point of a business is to make money, especially a public company. You make money by making your consumers happy, but money is still the primary goal to make your stockholders happy.
Just because something is a small market doesn't mean that it should be ignored. Enthusiasts are a small market, but Intel, AMD, and nVidia do not ignore them. And touchscreens are not just a small market, it's a small but growing rapidly market. Sure, it might not be sensible for desktops, but it's quickly becoming the interface of choice for mobile devices, even laptops. Since laptops are essentially mobile desktops, having a UI that caters to this group is logical. Making that UI able to work well with keyboards and mice is what Microsoft is attempting to do with Windows 8.
Windows 9 is NOT going to be touchscreen only. There's not enough hardware adoption of that on the desktop and even laptop side for that to make sense. Windows 8 is simply trying to provide a seamless experience between all Windows platforms. What we will most likely see is an improved UI based on Windows 8 feedback for better integration of touchscreen and keyboard/mouse usage in one UI.
Metro UI is NOT the only difference between Windows 7 and 8. There are a lot of under the hood features to improve performance and usability in basically every area. One such example is one I saw in another thread, where printers, whether it's on a network or attached directly, are found and installed automatically without user input. Faster boot times and lower overhead are other changes.
Highly doubt Windows 8 desktop would go close platform either. Too many third-party developers, and Microsoft would use a lot of users.

Microsoft is a monopoly. If Linux doesn't take off, where are we enthusiast post to go if we don't have an OS that doesn't allow us to do what we want?

That's the fear.

And Microsoft can do all they want to try to make Windows 8 work well with mouses and keyboards. Their "old" UI did that perfectly. Scrolling horizontally instead of vertically isn't trying to make it work well.

Plus, forcing metro, or w.e they are calling it now on mouse and keyboard "users" isn't trying to make it work well. Its our bloody start menu now.

If they truly cared, they would make it optional. Give us the option to not use it and give us "legacy" environment back, completely. Yes that includes the start menu that's been with us since Windows 95. Better yet, just make two versions. Microsoft seems fine with having ten+ different versions anyways.

Edit:

If Microsoft doesn't want to deal with this, then they should stop being and trying their hardest to be a monopoly.
Edited by konoii - 8/15/12 at 3:44pm
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Tired of hearing all of the crying about Windows 8, just like I tired of hearing it about Windows Vista. I've owned and used every Microsoft OS since 3.1, and they've all been good in their own way (and each usually had something bad about it too). Windows 8 has plenty of improvements (literally hundreds), and calling it crap because of a new UI for the start menu, and an optional marketplace, is silly. And no, I'm not talking about RT, that's an entirely different OS, just like iOS != OS X.
Haters gonna hate. Nobody is forcing you to upgrade.

It seems like what you're actually tired of is people not agreeing with you.
You don't have to condescend those of us on the other side of the fence with comments like "haters gonna hate." It's like you're relating us to common ignorant racists and bigots. It's not like that, for me at least.
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apps on steam? no, thanks.
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apps on steam? no, thanks.

Yeah, I'm the same. We'll see exactly how that's implemented, but yeah no thanks.
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Before you start sounding the whole "conspiracy theorist" horn, remember that we're already seeing a trend towards markets like what Microsoft is attempting to do on PC. Steam is it for PC games, Google Play for Android devices, The App Store for Apple products, etc. The trend towards software marketplaces is taking hold very quickly, and if I had to guess, I'd say it will be the norm before too much longer. No more will software be bought at B&M stores or online retail outlets.ALL OF YOUR SOFTWARE (including your OS) will be linked to online marketplaces. DRM will be enforced through your account access.
If anyone is insane, it's you for not noticing current trends in the market. It's happening, and it's happening very quickly. What is optional today may be the only option a few years from now. Don't believe me? Think about when Steam began and how many games you can only get on Steam today. Now does it make sense?

Spot on that. It's why i horde my hard copies of games, past and present (at least the ones i can actually obtain a hard copy of).

PC's very appeal is it's freedom of choice. You get none of that on Console, and i worry that it's a future that is in store (lol pun) with us through DRM and OS's like Windows 8.
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