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Optical actually can output 5.1 from either already encoded sources like DVD movies/Blu rays/ Or MKVs. Games on the other hand need to be compressed with The Encoders that come with some X-FI or Xonar sound cards, before the games will output thru optical in 5.1. If you do not use the encoders then the games will output in 2 channel over optical as Uncompressed PCM.

The DD live and DTS encoders on sound card basic take the analog 5.1 signal and compressed it into either DD or DTS before sending it into the receiver. Which will output in 5.1 over optical but as compressed audio. Which is the only way to get games to output in 5.1 over optical, which why it is a needed feature by those who game with receivers using optical connections. Tho their are some receivers if you can find them that do have Muiti channel analog inputs for 5.1/7.1 connectors which can be used with computers for analog muiti channel.
Edited by admflameberg - 11/14/12 at 11:14am
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If you have high-quality cables, both should sound similar. TOSLINK/Optical is a must for 5.1 but if you're using headphones it won't matter. I personally went for the best Optical out there. Pick the best you can afford. Blue Jeans RCAs are what you'd want from there but if you're gonna connect it to your 5.1 amp go Optical. Also, make sure you know whether you need Toslink to Toslink or Toslink to Mini-Toslink/Miniplug.

These is also Coaxial which is similar to TOSLINK and some soundcards use. It is up for debate whether Coaxial is better than Optical. I've read a lot that Coaxial sounds more digital and Optical sounds more real.

I'm afraid that some of the money you've spent on your setup has been a waste. Like someone already said, your Titanium HD is no better than on-board at outputting optical. There's also no such thing as the best optical cable as far as sound quality goes. A $100 cable will never sound any better than a $20 one. Same thing goes for HDMI cables and A/V quality. Digital data isn't affected by degradation during transport the way analogue is.
Regarding optical vs coaxial audio out, given that both are S/PDIF, I'm pretty confident that they sound identical.

Edit: Fixed wording (see the following posts).
Edited by HothBase - 11/14/12 at 11:09pm
 
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post #193 of 300
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A $100 cable will never sound any better than a $20 one. Same thing goes HDMI and video quality. Digital signals aren't affected by degradation during transport the way analogue signals are..

Not quite that simplistic but for most uses it is wink.gif
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Not quite that simplistic but for most uses it is wink.gif

Which part of it are you referring to? tongue.gif Digital signals do degrade, yes. But the data is not affected unless it's something major.
 
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Which part of it are you referring to? tongue.gif Digital signals do degrade, yes. But the data is not affected unless it's something major.

That's the point wink.gif the signal starts to degrade over 10 metres / 30 feet and that's when cable quality does come into the equation. You said signals not data transmission or integrity wink.gif
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That's the point wink.gif the signal starts to degrade over 10 metres / 30 feet and that's when cable quality does come into the equation. You said signals not data transmission or integrity wink.gif

Indeed! My mistake, wrong choice of words. smile.gif
 
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I'm new to audio. I have a creative 2.1 system that I connect to my ob audio via 3.5 mm jack green. Now my gaming headphones are astro a 30 they have two 3.5 mm jacks one for audio other for sound. I read that z series will have a headphone / speaker toggle switch but just want to confirm would my setup work with this sound card thanks
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I think only some sound cards support 5.1 via optical out. X-Fi doesn't but one of the ASUS models do.
This guy says optical can only carry stereo:
What's the right answer?

Optical and coaxial can only carry 2 channels of uncompressed audio.

But it can handle DTS and Dolby Digital 5.1 as these are compressed audio formats. I think optical and coaxial can also support TrueHD. If I get a chance later I can test that out.
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Optical actually can output 5.1 from either already encoded sources like DVD movies/Blu rays/ Or MKVs. Games on the other hand need to be compressed with The Encoders that come with some X-FI or Xonar sound cards, before the games will output thru optical in 5.1. If you do not use the encoders then the games will output in 2 channel over optical as Uncompressed PCM.
The DD live and DTS encoders on sound card basic take the analog 5.1 signal and compressed it into either DD or DTS before sending it into the receiver. Which will output in 5.1 over optical but as compressed audio. Which is the only way to get games to output in 5.1 over optical, which why it is a needed feature by those who game with receivers using optical connections. Tho their are some receivers if you can find them that do have Muiti channel analog inputs for 5.1/7.1 connectors which can be used with computers for analog muiti channel.

Ok starting to make more sense now. So it sounds like HDMI out is a better choice than S/PDIF to get that uncompressed 5.1 Game audio to the receiver. But if you're watching a movie, it's already compressed into DD or DTS which wouldn't have an uncompressed audio stream available to use?

What sound has multi-channel optical out ports though? If you're playing an older game without 5.1 support and you're using a receiver for 5.1/7.1, you would need a card that supports OpenAL or EAX right? How would you output the audio to the receiver for that cause ChineseKiwi says optical bypasses the soundcard's DAC chip.
Edited by Wonky Sausage - 11/15/12 at 10:09am
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I don't remember exactly but DVD movies and blu rays are all compressed, but I could be wrong on blu rays.They might have a option for PCM stereo. I can easy find out by actually play the blu rays i have laying around my desk. It just I havent played my blu ray movies in a while. So I don't remember off the top of my head.

Muiti channel RCA Analog inputs, I should had made it more clearer, there are receivers which has analog 5.1/7.1 RCA inputs which you can use 3 (5.1) 4(7.1) RCA to 3.5 cables to plug the receiver into your sound card for analog. Where you use the dac of the sound card with the receiver. Without having to use the Encoders for gaming thru optical. Certain receivers has those RCA 5.1/7.1 Analog inputs on the rear. Like my old Yamaha RX-V363 that I have laying around.

Basic you would plug in 3 RCA into the rear of a receiver that has 3 pairs of RCA analog Outputs and plug the other ends of the cable into the Front Rear and Center sub of a PC sound card. But not every Receiver now a days have 5.1/7.1 RCA Analog inputs on it. But they are still affordable ones on amazon. Which can be another option. If you dont mind 3 cables running out the back of your receiver into your sound card analog outputs.
Edited by admflameberg - 11/15/12 at 10:37am
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