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So many people not understanding the role of a soundcard...

 

 

First, if u don't play games then why would u even use, or need a sound card..? 

 

Secondly, If you are using your computer as a soundsystem, then whatever avenue you pursue is pointless to comment about, because your listening room is different than anyone elses ( ie: Do u have 6 speakers, or just 2..? Size of room, shape of room, etc.) thus ur need is different...  thus the type of soundcard u choose.. based on MUSIC u listen too..     is different!

 

 

If u have headphones, then why even bother with a soundcard?

Explain plz.. when u can just plug headphones directly into a CD/DVD player. Also understand, If u game with headphones, then u don't have 5.1 sound* and you really are not gaming, ur prentending to game. As you are limiting yourself & hiding something at the same time.

 

 

 

So (again) other than gaming why bother with a soundcard? Also, if ur into editing, recording music then a "soundcard" is the focal point of ur system and ur using promedia stuff, not the non-eax stuff people are touting in this rediculous thread. I am being sincere here, as I own (& maintain) 4 computers in my house & only the ones I game on require a soundcard (except for my G1.sniper.m3).

 

EAX is a staple of first person games. Anyone who thinks otherwise, is just someone who casually games. As I have been playing FPS games since they originated & watched all the other "standards" come & go. Creative Labs exist today, because they invented EAX many years ago & us gamers would not put it down. So the technology developed.

 

Anyone playing any Battlefield game without EAX, has no clue!  (5.1 surround)

 

 

 

For music..? Why even argue over what sound card/board u get.. or comparing them to game cards? I mean some of u are using their DVD player in their computer, to pick up the bits & then pass them unfettered across an opticle cable to a receiver....   then telling us how awsome it is..

 

So, why comment or argue about a non-gaming soundcard? It is like complaining/arguing over Sony vs Samsung for quality of music...

 

 

 

 

Rhetorical & fecetious^..    because I do listen to my music collection via computer, but how I do it will be different to how u do it.


Edited by formula m - 8/21/12 at 8:33am
post #72 of 300
I do not know who you are aiming that at. But having a sound card for analog is not a waste of money if you care about sound quality. If you one of the folks who don't care about analog sound quality. Then on-board audio is for you.

People that game with headphones are not pretend gaming just because they don't have room for 5.1 speakers, or they don't wanna annoy people with the noises. Or that they prefer using headphones. That is just silly to even read that in your post.

You do not have to only game for a reason to get a sound card, there are sound cards for different markets for people different wants and needs. Also not every one like the sound quality of analog out of their onboard audio. Also alot of people have headphones are that very good and does not sound right connected to onboard audio and will sound off until you plug it into a better source.

Those that are using sound cards for their receivers are doing it for the encoder function of the sound card which encodes 5.1 analog into 5.1 digital for games. Which is needed for gaming in Digital as games are not already encoded. The other reason is for the gaming features of a sound card.

Then like my self which owns a external dac amp, The reason I have this X-Fi in using optical is because I need the features of the X-FI as well it's Hardware ASIO which i need for creation music. I do not want a recording interface or a recording based sound card. As I use my computer audio functions for mufti-purpose.

Also CD based audio is still effected by the sound quality of a sound card. Its the same reasons why CD players uses op-amps and dac chips inside them. Then some companies using better components then another. But I guess you would think those who still have vinyl records silly for the type of audio setup that they get just to play them. Even if it improves there audio performance.

There's nothing silly about using a sound card for headphone usage or Receiver usage. Just because you happy with using the onboard audio do not mean every one else will be. Their people that care about sound quality yes we exist. I much rather use my Audio techinca A900x thru my external dac amp then plugging it into a onboard audio to do my music listening and gaming and having something else for recording.
Edited by admflameberg - 8/21/12 at 8:55am
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I'm looking for a new sound card, and the Z might be an option. I had an X-fi Platinum Fatal1ty Champion card, but it has finally died on me after years of use. I used it mostly for the DTS/Dolby Live and CMSS3D in games. Also now that I don't have the card I have to keep switching the outputs since I use optical output for my 5.1 set and analog for headphones. Can't say that I noticed a big difference in mobo optical output, but it does lack 5.1 in games unless I use analog, which might affect sound quality too.

The other option would be a usb model, like the Sound Blaster 5.1 Pro, which might be a better option if I'm planning on going mini-ITX for my next build. Not sure about the quality of the product though. I really don't put much trust in Creative, but it seems there's not a lot of options in this price category.
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The Recon3D series was pure garbage and it touted some amazing specs on paper. From the looks of these cards I doubt there will be much improvement.
I gave up on Creative and moved on to the Xonar Essence ST with the H6 daughter board. Could never be any happier.

What is garbage about them ?

I have a Recon 3D and it makes my Corsair SP2500 speakers sound amazing during gaming or playing music.
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I wonder if these are improvements over Creative X-FI Titanium

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Dual-microphone array.... wife/GF will definitely not appreciate it since it would lead to more yelling at computer.

I love when my buddy argues with his Gf when we game, and our whole server hears it. Pretty hilarious stuff comes up.






As for the guy a few posts back. 5.1 is for my TV. My computer is for gaming. That last thing my neighbor wants to hear is loud explosions from my subwoofer @ 2am. Hence I have a nice pair of AD700s, which has a nice sound stage comparable to 5.1. I can hear left, I can hear right, I can hear people coming up behind me. You NEED a sound card to power nice headphones. It not only powers your headphone via a built in AMP, but the DAC increases your audio quality considerably.

Also EAX is a gimmick, it makes little to no difference. It does not give you an advantage.
Edited by BeerPowered - 8/28/12 at 1:48am
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I've been using an external receiver with HDMI out of my GTX 680 (previously a GTX 580) now for over a year. I don't see myself ever going back to sound cards like this. This setup allows you to use any speakers you want on your computer. There's really no point with a digital audio connection either. It's pure, and there's no processing to be had. New games support 5.1 and 7.1 natively and don't need advanced emulation anymore. Even if I do happen to play a really old game, my receiver (for the most part) can do that too.

I was in the same boat until I moved to a much bigger place. Now I have neighbors to consider. So headphones are in full-time use now.

I will admit that HDMI out to my Receiver hooked up to my Polk Audio RM95 speakers is amazing. Better than any HTIAB setup. But sadly I had to dig out my Auzentech Forte and my AD700s.
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I have 5.1 Sony receiver hooked to my computer by a digital optic cable. I've tried a few different sound cards but they all sound pretty much the same using the digital line. I'm just sticking to onboard.

Optical can only carry 2 Channels of uncompressed PCM audio. HDMI can carry 8. Optical is great for 2.1 book shelf speakers, but you are diminishing your audio quality if you use it with 5.1/7.1 Also your receiver would take over any audio processing from your card.

A sound card is meant for 2.1 Bookshelf speakers or headphones or a Logitech type setup. A 5.1 HTIAB doesn't need or require a sound card, HDMI out from your GPU will work much better.
Edited by BeerPowered - 8/28/12 at 2:14am
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Hey guys, I know I am probably stumbling into a late stage bar fight tongue.gif
But I got a quick question.

I own a Audigy 2 Zs Platinum [the internal 5.25 bay version but don't use the bay] I also own the X-Fi Xtreme Music and am considering the New Z Card [$99.99]
I own the 5.1 500 watt creative analog surround setup and love it. I can definitely tell it sounds better on Creative cards than Mobo on-board which I am currently using because I am having some problems with the older cards detecting on my Win7 system. I am not sure if the card is dying, or the PCI slot is dead, Creative themselves tell me Win7 isn't officially supported but that could just be a lazy tech.
Should I get the new Z card or should I get some other PCI-E alternative like Asus etc in the 99.99 price range? I don't really understand all the technical stuff regarding sound and I trust your suggestions.
Any help is appreciated, I am itching to get EAX and other audio enhancements back, especially that crystal surround feature or whatever it was called that made my winamp mp3s sound awesome versus this crappy on-board channel duplication that sounds so wonky I dont even use it anymore
Please help, thanks
    
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Anyone know when these will be out? I am in need of a new sound card.
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Originally Posted by Steffek View Post

Anyone know when these will be out? I am in need of a new sound card.

From the press release in the source link:
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The Sound Blaster ZxR and Sound Blaster Zx will be available in December 2012 and the Sound Blaster Z will be available in October 2012
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