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Many of these regulations are actually still in tact on many levels, and there is even a pretty large amount of Dark Fiber in the ground. The problem is getting to it! People make it sound like this country is just laced with Fiber, all over the place, you try and dig a garden you are going to hit Fiber. It isn't! I have seen maps of Fiber that aren't open to public domain, and are highly confidential, and there isn't nearly as much as people think, not by a long shot.
There was this issue that was ran into when Fiber was being put in the ground....they are called large solid mountains. Digging through a hill is one thing, digging through the Cascades or other serious mountain is another, even large passes are a problem. It is in a weird way comical, you can take these Fiber maps and lay them over a topographical map, and see where they stopped at a mountain or other geographical barrier.
This is exactly why companies like AT&T use wireless backhauls for much of their traffic, it is just too costly to run physical lines everywhere.
EDIT: Dark Fiber is Fiber that was put in the ground, typically under government subsidization, but never utilized, since the ends where lit, it is called Dark Fiber. In many situations if you can get to it you can utilize it for next to nothing, but the problem is getting to it.

I dont live in the middle of the mountains, of course i know its harder to lay cable there. Im not saying i think there is fiber everywhere, and neither is malcolm. the reality is that just because you see money being utilized in certain ways at your ISP doesnt mean that it is the same for ATT or verizon. the reality is that these big national ISPs DO have the money to invest in laying new cable and expanding services, but they do not want to. network expansion has only increased in the last couple of years because of public pressure and awareness of the issues that we face.
And you think i don't know anything about dark fiber? There is a PUD owned Lease-able Dark-fiber line 500ft from my house, but because of WA state law, the PUD cannot sell access directly to the public. The line has 144 F/O lines and has a relay point halfway through the line (effectively doubling its possible penetration density). It is a hybrid Middle-mile line. Access can be installed anywhere along its route, and it doesn't just go down the highway. it weaves down rural back-country roads. Ive done the math, if done right said line could serve every mile along it with 100Mb+
our state's government knows there is an issue with broadband penetration in WA, and they were trying to do something about it. HB1711 was a proposed amendment that would have allowed Muni network owners in Washington to sell out their service directly to the public. What baffles me is that there are only major muni networks in areas that are not served by any other local or national ISPs, yet the resolution had opponents with the large isps. i wish i could walk in to that legislative session and tell it to them straight. Well of course the big ISPs cant compete with something IF THEY DONT SERVE THE AREA TO BEGIN WITH. HB1711 did not pass this year, and they have to wait until the next legislative session to look at it again (government is really getting too slow i think)
post #122 of 183
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Google has already stated they have no plans to expand, this was to prove a point and show what can be done with the right investment. Google and Kansas City both put a lot of money in this, in hopes it will inspire government and the FCC to do something. Google is fairly anti-FCC and is a huge supporter of change in this country.
They arent expanding? fffuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!

Id love to see small, local, family owned businesses grow. Rekindle the American dream. Id really help towns and the economy grow, as long as the small company isnt pure crud. I mean I havent even heard of a small local ISP provider.
Some smaller companies tend to give better and faster Customer Service.

I hope your business grows PostalTwinkie.
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What is with the perceived need to blanket the entire country in fibre by national ISPs? Why do ISPs necessarily need to be huge, massive, national affairs? Why not break those bad boys up and let smaller, local ISPs spring up that can service smaller regions such as individual states, or parts of states, or even individual towns?

Natural monopolies due economy of size. The bigger companies have to send less data outside their network.... so they have to pay less to others. There market will just consolidate (again) unless there are government regulations (which would make it more inefficent).
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has a 4mb connection in Austria here thumb.gif stop complaining all of you!!

That's decent a lot of places won't even run cable so people are stuck with satellite or dial up or in some cases not even dial up.
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Natural monopolies due economy of size. The bigger companies have to send less data outside their network.... so they have to pay less to others. There market will just consolidate (again) unless there are government regulations (which would make it more inefficent).

Then build a single national backbone for all the small companies to connect to. And no, im not saying government run, not with the one we have now........
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Then build a single national backbone for all the small companies to connect to. And no, im not saying government run, not with the one we have now........

Will not happen...
1) Entrenched companies will lobby against it
2) No political will to spend the hundreds of billions to build it.
3) If government builds it, then who else would own/manage/maintain it.
4) Which states will it run through?
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Will not happen...
1) Entrenched companies will lobby against it
2) No political will to spend the hundreds of billions to build it.
3) If government builds it, then who else would own/manage/maintain it.
4) Which states will it run through?

Most of the lines/equipment is already in place, its just separated between different companies.
Big companies and corrupt government is the problem in this case.
It would get approximately the same effect as the repealed regulations i spoke of earlier.
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See the little red square on the right hand side of WA? Thats Spokane County. I live in one of the most densely populated areas in the country, and im just ~5 miles outside the city limits. yet because of a lack of competition, complemented by innovation, i am stuck on the lowest teir of DSL that is available. You tell me why that's not a problem.

Whats crazy is 6 hours away in that Blue section by the Puget sound basic speeds are way faster. I get 25 down 4 up for $30, and I know they offer much faster.
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Then build a single national backbone for all the small companies to connect to. And no, im not saying government run, not with the one we have now........

This is where government subsidization would kick and and be utilized. There are plenty of ISP's that are willing and able to build the infrastructure, the money just isn't there....

Some day, maybe some day.
    
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ewwwwwwwwww
DOWNLOAD CAP?!!?
I cannot believe that still exists...
im fortunate I guess, ive never experienced Data Caps before

Try India.

Here private ISPs profit unceremoniously by "deciding" what's best for the average man. For the average home, a 2MB/s connection is considered "fast as heck" and 4MB/s speeds fall under "impatience plans" lol.

What's worse is that the data caps are a joke. 7GB, 20GB, 25GB,50GB...anything beyond is criminally expensive and that too at 4MBPS.

Wait it gets worse boys and girls biggrin.gif....after the CAP is exhausted, speeds are throttled to 256KB/s. I'll never understand how those speeds are termed "broadband". Unlimited my butt.

Story of my life tongue.gif
Edited by PunkX 1 - 8/16/12 at 2:09pm
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