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Calling upon OCN: Review my parts for my Build before ordering...

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As you may or may not know, I have been slowly working on a build that is my first in a while, taking my time researching, reading, learning, and way too much time on here wink.gif
Well, it's time to pull the trigger on the big H2O part orders, and I could REALLY use some extra pairs of eyes looking everything over, making sure that I haven't missed anything, and so forth. I would REally aPpreciate it wink.gif
The color-theme of my build is black and white, although the MB obviously adds a dash of red, I have not yet decided how to "integrate" that into the overall theme of the build (which is, thus far, pretty much "black and white" haha).

Okay, first, here are the components of my build so that you know what is all going together: Build Components (Click to show)
  • i7 3930K
  • Rampage 4 Extreme
  • EVGA GTX670 FTW 2GB
  • 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws Z DDR3-2133 9-11-10-28
  • Samsung 830 256GB SSD
  • Hitachi Deskstar 320GB 7200rpm/SATA3Gbs HDD (until I can get a better one)
  • NZXT Switch 810 in White
  • NZXT HALE90 850W PSU

I will be water-cooling the CPU and GPU initially, although I will be adding a second 670FTW hopefully within 6 months, and I plan to add a Motherboard Block in the not-too-distant future as well. All of the tubing/fittings are 1/2"ID x 3/4"OD (keeps me from having to type that two-dozen times)

Over the past two months, I have started to acquire water cooling bits, mostly fittings, and currently I already have the following: Water-Cooling Parts I Already Have (Click to show)
  • Apogee HD White
  • Swiftech MCRES-Rev2 (won't be using)
  • 2x MCP35X Pumps (just got the second one for a ridiculously low price, like, insanely low; I know I technically don't need it, but I will bring this up later as to plans...)
  • 6x Monsoon Matte Black Compression Fittings
  • 5x Monsoon Black Chrome Compression Fittings
  • 2x Bitspower Dual-Rotary 45* Compression Fittings
  • 2x Bitspower Triple-Rotary 90* Compression Fittings
  • 4x Bitspower Rotary 45* G1/4 Adapters
  • 1x Bitspower Dual-Rotary 90* G1/4 Adapter
  • 1x Bitspower Rotary 90* G1/4 Angle Adapter (the very simple 90* "sharp turn" type)
  • 2x Bitspower Rotary G1/4 "Anti-Twist" Extension Fittings
  • 2x Bitspower Rotary G1/4 Male-to-Male Coupler Fittings
  • 2x Bitspower G1/4 Stop/Plug Fittings
  • 1x Danger Den Silver Strip
  • 20-25x Black O-Rings for the Monsoon Fittings
  • 1x What-Appears-to-Be a PWM Splitter (has a 4pin female connector that connects to CPU_FAN or SYS_FAN and has two branching cables, 1 is 4-pin Male the other is 3-pin male)
  • 10-20x G1/4 Barbs in both 3/8 and 1/2 inch size (won't be using) along with just as many clamps
I also have a great number of misc. heatsinks (chipset: NB/SB, CPU, etc; from 12x18mm to one from a P4 Dell that is almost 6in tall!), fans (80mm/90-92mm/120mm), about 90ft left of black Para cord and various sizes of black heat-shrink, and essentially 4 entire computers that have been completely disassembled (from P4 to FX51 to Athlon64 X2 in age), so I can get creative if I have to.

I am buying my parts from 4 different vendors: PerformancePC's, Jab-Tech, Sidewinder Computers, and Amazon due to varying prices between them (saving me a decent bit of money even with the extra shipping; plus, I have $100 in Amazon Credit).
I am buying the rest of the water cooling parts, as well as all the Bitfenix Alchemy individually-sleeved cable extensions I need (just don't have time to do it myself :/ ), fan splitters, fan controller, fans, etc. For now, I think I will just use one of the TIM's I already have, although I will eventually grab something like the HE-Grease, PK-1, Shin-Etsu X23, or TX4.

So, here's the list of all of the parts, water-cooling related, that I currently have in my cart(s) as my "to buy" items, and the stuff that I would really like some expert/non-expert critiquing on, recommendations for/against, ideas, suggestions, and especially suggestions for a better part. The items are pretty much maxing out my current budget, so I can't afford to ADD a whole lot more, but if a switch from a part I have listed to a similarly-priced part would provide significant benefit, I would really like to hear about it!!!
Here are the parts, minus anything not directly-related to water cooling: My Water Cooling Parts-To-Buy List (Click to show)
WATER COOLING PARTS
PART - PRICE - VENDOR
  • XSPC EX420 3x140 19split-fins-per-inch high-performance Radiator - $69.95 (Jab-Tech)
  • Alphacool NeXXos UT60 240 2x120 Full-Copper high-performance Radiator - $71.99 (PPCs)
  • EK Multioption Res X2 150 - Advanced - $44.95 (Jab-Tech)
  • Watercool HEATKILLER GPU-X^3 GTX680 "Hole Edition" GPU Waterblock - $124.95 (PPCs)
  • Watercool HEATKILLER GPU-X^3 GTX680 Stainless Steel GPU Backplate - $31.99 (Sidewinder)
  • Primoflex PRO LRT 1/2"x3/4" White Tubing 10ft - $18 (Jab-Tech)
  • XSPC Black Chrome 1/2x3/4 Black Chrome Compression Fittings x4 - $15.96 (Jab-Tech)
  • XSPC Black Chrome G1/4 10mm Male-to-Female Extension Fittings x2 - $3.98 (Jab-Tech)
  • Monsoon G1/4 Replacement O-Rings in UV White 10per Pack x3 for 30 total - $8.97 (PPCs)
  • Swiftech MCP35X2-H Housing (White) for 2x MCP35X Pumps - $56 (Amazon)
  • Bitspower DDC-Pump Black Replacement O-Ring 2-Pack - $0.99 (Jab-Tech)
  • Swiftech MCP35X2 Heatsink - $27.95 (PPCs)
  • BitFenix Hydra Pro 5-Channel 30W/Channel Fan Controller - $34.95 (PPCs)
  • Bgears Blasters 140mm 1800rpm/103cfm/3.5mmHg Fans x6 total: x4 $43.96 (Amazon) + x2 $23.90 (PPCs)
  • Koolance 120x25mm 2800rpm/107cfm/5.4mmHg Fans x4 - $31.96 (PPCs)
  • BitFenix 3pin to 3x3pin White-Sleeved 60cm Fan Adapter Cables x2 - $15.90 (PPCs)
  • Phobya 3pin Molex to 4x3pin Molex 60cm Black-Sleeved Fan Y-Cable - $4.99 (PPCs)
  • 140mm Black-Wire Fan Grills x3 - $4.17 (Jab-Tech)

The rest is just the BitFenix Alchemy Individually-Sleeved Extension Cables (White Sleeving, no Heat-Shrink): 1x 24pin, 1x 4pin EPS, 2x 6pin PCI-E. I was going to get the front-panel Audio and front-panel USB ones as well, but I figured I could do without and save the $12.50 as those are cables you shouldn't ever see anyway, and if you do, I can just sleeve them with some black paracord.


HERE IS MY PROPOSED LOOP LAYOUT:
(Yes, I am an MS Paint Rockstar wink.gif and no, it doesn't account for the 2nd MCP35X and yes it has an EX240 at the bottom instead of a UT60 240)


Now, I have a few questions:

1) Is it worth it to go with the NeXXos UT60 240 for $72 over the EX240 for $44? I am pretty much set on the EX420 up top, but I thought that going with the thicker and all-copper NeXXos for the bottom rad might be beneficial, particularly once I add a 2nd GPU, or am I wrong? Either rad will be getting push-pull Koolance 2800rpm fans so airflow is not a concern, haha.

2) Should I get the Koolance 120x38mm fans for "Push" for the bottom rad while keeping the 120x25mm for "pull", as they both run at 2800rpm? Or would it make zero difference, as the 25mm thick already have 5.4mmHg SP?

3) I have always been a big fan of having two pumps, and while this loop doesn't need them at this point, I want them both in there for redundancy reasons and because I get more flow with less strain on the pumps (i.e. both can run at 30% and give me more flow than one at 50%), plus I already have them. I just don't know if the Swiftech top is the way to go or not? It is a pretty all-inclusive package, although I have the extra O-Rings on my list in case I mess it up, compared to any other brands' dual-DDC tops.
Will I still be able to connect the pump directly to the reservoir bottom using the male-male extension? I am considering making a "support" or "mount" for the dual-pump unit out of plexi so that the reservoir isn't holding all of the weight, and would this make it "better"?
The heatsink is adding $30 to my order, and while I know it is necessary for long-life with these pumps, is it even more important for an MCP35X2?
Is this a better option than, say, an XSPC Dual-DDC 2xBay Res? I am guessing so, because this retains the excellent pump top while the XSPC res makes you give them up, but I just want to be sure...

4) Bitfenix Hydra Pro... good choice? I will be running 3x Bgears Blasters 140mm per-channel on the first two channels, all 4x Koolance fans on the third channel, and splitting the case fans (and possibly MCP35X2 Heatsink Fan) between the last two channels. At 30W per channel, this will handle it, yes?
Should I buy bigger heatsinks for the rear of the fan controller?
(I am a big fan of how "sleek" the slider-type fan controllers look versus the knobs, especially for a case like the Switch810 which is extremely streamlined)

5) Anything I can streamline, or cut down on? I am not seeing anything I don't really need, as I want to get this built and not have to take it apart in a few weeks to install a fan controller then, or whatever.... If you see anything, PLEASE tell me... I am at $673 minus the 100 Amazon Credit so $573, and if f***ing Tiger Direct wasn't constantly out-of-stock of the Bgears Blasters 140mm, I would be down to $545 but such is life.

6) Any coupon codes for Sidewinder or PPC's? I have the Jab-Tech one...


THANK YOU ALL!! I really appreciate any feedback at all, as I hope to order this stuff tonight!!
   
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3930K @ 4.92Ghz Asus Rampage 4 Extreme EVGA GTX670 FTW 2GB  EVGA GTX780Ti Classified K|ngp|n Edition @ 1483... 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveHard Drive
EVGA GTX780Ti Classified K|ngp|n Edition @ 1483... 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws-Z @ DDR3-2248 9-10-9-26 1T Samsung 830 256GB SSD WD10EZEX 1TB HDD 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
WD10EALX 1TB HDD Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 1TB WD3200AAKS 320GB HDD WD5000HHTZ 10krpm 500GB VelociRaptor 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
LG/Hitachi Slim DVD-R/W Custom MB-Backside VRM-sinks (Copper) 3x NZXT RF-FX140LB 1-2krpm 98.3CFM Case Fans 2x Corsair SP120-PE Case Fans 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Heatkiller GTX680 "Hole Edition" Block + Backplate XSPC Single-Bay Res (Single 5.25 bay) EK Multioption Res X2 - Advanced 150 DD "Fill-Port Res" + Fill-Port Fitting (Red) 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
2x MCP35X + Heatsinks/80x15mm Fan XSPC EX420 Alphacool NeXXos UT60 240 6x Bgears Blasters 140mm 1800rpm Fans 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
4x Koolance 120x25mm 2600rpm Fans Comp/Rotary Fittings (BP/XSPC/Monsoon) Primoflex Pro LRT - White (1/2x3/4) Windows 7 Professional 64bit  
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
Dell P2210Hb 21.5" 1920x1080p Viewsonic VA2012WB 20.1" LCD 1680x1050 Dell U3014 Eizo 27" 1440p 10bit RGB-LED Backlit AH-IPS Panel 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
55" LG HDTV (their top 2014 model) Ducky Mechanical (Browns) NZXT HALE90 850W + 8 blown-up AX1200/i's NZXT Switch 810 (White) 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
R.A.T.3 + MX510 My Desk GRADO RS1i Headphones Grado PS1000 Headphones 
OtherOtherOtherOther
Bitfenix Hydra Pro Fan Controller 5ch 30W/ch Bitfenix Alchemy Individually-Sleeved Extension... NZXT Individually-Sleeved Front Panel Wires (Bl... Phobya Sleeved 1x3pin-to-4x3pin Fan Splitter 
OtherOtherOther
Sleeved Wires w Paracord myself (no Heatshrink) Custom Front and Top Panels w HexxMesh *In Prog... Working on Custom Pedestal Prototype 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3930K @ 4.92Ghz Asus Rampage 4 Extreme EVGA GTX670 FTW 2GB  EVGA GTX780Ti Classified K|ngp|n Edition @ 1483... 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveHard Drive
EVGA GTX780Ti Classified K|ngp|n Edition @ 1483... 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws-Z @ DDR3-2248 9-10-9-26 1T Samsung 830 256GB SSD WD10EZEX 1TB HDD 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
WD10EALX 1TB HDD Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 1TB WD3200AAKS 320GB HDD WD5000HHTZ 10krpm 500GB VelociRaptor 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
LG/Hitachi Slim DVD-R/W Custom MB-Backside VRM-sinks (Copper) 3x NZXT RF-FX140LB 1-2krpm 98.3CFM Case Fans 2x Corsair SP120-PE Case Fans 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Heatkiller GTX680 "Hole Edition" Block + Backplate XSPC Single-Bay Res (Single 5.25 bay) EK Multioption Res X2 - Advanced 150 DD "Fill-Port Res" + Fill-Port Fitting (Red) 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
2x MCP35X + Heatsinks/80x15mm Fan XSPC EX420 Alphacool NeXXos UT60 240 6x Bgears Blasters 140mm 1800rpm Fans 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
4x Koolance 120x25mm 2600rpm Fans Comp/Rotary Fittings (BP/XSPC/Monsoon) Primoflex Pro LRT - White (1/2x3/4) Windows 7 Professional 64bit  
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
Dell P2210Hb 21.5" 1920x1080p Viewsonic VA2012WB 20.1" LCD 1680x1050 Dell U3014 Eizo 27" 1440p 10bit RGB-LED Backlit AH-IPS Panel 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
55" LG HDTV (their top 2014 model) Ducky Mechanical (Browns) NZXT HALE90 850W + 8 blown-up AX1200/i's NZXT Switch 810 (White) 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
R.A.T.3 + MX510 My Desk GRADO RS1i Headphones Grado PS1000 Headphones 
OtherOtherOtherOther
Bitfenix Hydra Pro Fan Controller 5ch 30W/ch Bitfenix Alchemy Individually-Sleeved Extension... NZXT Individually-Sleeved Front Panel Wires (Bl... Phobya Sleeved 1x3pin-to-4x3pin Fan Splitter 
OtherOtherOther
Sleeved Wires w Paracord myself (no Heatshrink) Custom Front and Top Panels w HexxMesh *In Prog... Working on Custom Pedestal Prototype 
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For starters I am writing this piece by piece as I read it.

I would change the following;
16GB G.Skill Ripjaws Z DDR3-2133 9-11-10-28 --> 16gb Samsung 1600 RAM OC to 2133mhz 10-10-10-28 for $80? My 2 cents
NZXT HALE90 850W PSU ---> Seasonic or Corsair or Antec.. Havent hear much about NZXT psu's not 100% sure there really good..
I would only get the MOBO Block is money is burning a hole in your pocket or looks of the Rig is real important..

The loop and fan layout look spot on man. Love the diagram btw. Your list for parts looks impressive

1) Not sure..
2)Doubt there would be ANY real world difference
3) Go with 2 loops in the future! WAHAHA CPU and GPU loops..
4)Fan controller will handle it no problem. I have 4 GT 1850s on one channel on my 30w controller
5)Never found any Sidewinders but his prices are legit. PPC they come out once in a great while.. dont hold your breath.. If you email them and harass them you may get one.. haha (i have)
Looks solid man. Just save the money
post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the reply! The system parts I already have, everything is sitting downstairs in my office wink.gif The NZXT HALE90 PSU's are actually fantastic units, btw, SuperFlower (?) internals and >92% efficient but as they came out when Gold was the highest rating, that's what they're rated at. JohnnyGuru did a test in which the HALE90 850W was put in the "hot box" at 40-50C and it put out close to 1000W before showing any outside-the-normal-range ripple! They are one of the most underrated and high-performing PSU's there are, especially at the price!

Regarding the G.Skill, I got it for $93 and I really like it; Cadaveca @ TPU has had the same kit up to DDR3-2400 (actually slightly higher) @ 1.65v and 10-11-11 timings, on his P9X79-Pro, and was also able to tighten the timings to 8-9-8-24 @ 1866 1.6v, all in quad-channel, so don't underestimate the stuff wink.gif Samsung is fantastic, but the good G.Skill kits (not even the Trident-X), especially the Ripjaws Z it seems, are better overclockers and more stable than just about anything from Corsair et al including the ridiculously expensive "we can sell it for so much bc of the name, even though it's super shtty RAM" Dominator GT's and Platinum.

And thanks for your comments regarding the fan controller smile.gif I am stuck between it and the Sunbeam Rheosmart6, which is nifty (PWM control for ALL FANS!) but I don't like knobs, prefer sliders :/

Also, I just can't decide if going with the UT60 240 over the EX240 is worth the ~$30 or not :/

Thank you for your help!

EDIT: Also, the MB block will be ~6mo from now, when I start to really push the 3930K, as the VRM's get HOOOOTTTTT... so more for peace of mind than anything, but looks don't hurt wink.gif
   
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3930K @ 4.92Ghz Asus Rampage 4 Extreme EVGA GTX670 FTW 2GB  EVGA GTX780Ti Classified K|ngp|n Edition @ 1483... 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveHard Drive
EVGA GTX780Ti Classified K|ngp|n Edition @ 1483... 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws-Z @ DDR3-2248 9-10-9-26 1T Samsung 830 256GB SSD WD10EZEX 1TB HDD 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
WD10EALX 1TB HDD Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 1TB WD3200AAKS 320GB HDD WD5000HHTZ 10krpm 500GB VelociRaptor 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
LG/Hitachi Slim DVD-R/W Custom MB-Backside VRM-sinks (Copper) 3x NZXT RF-FX140LB 1-2krpm 98.3CFM Case Fans 2x Corsair SP120-PE Case Fans 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Heatkiller GTX680 "Hole Edition" Block + Backplate XSPC Single-Bay Res (Single 5.25 bay) EK Multioption Res X2 - Advanced 150 DD "Fill-Port Res" + Fill-Port Fitting (Red) 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
2x MCP35X + Heatsinks/80x15mm Fan XSPC EX420 Alphacool NeXXos UT60 240 6x Bgears Blasters 140mm 1800rpm Fans 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
4x Koolance 120x25mm 2600rpm Fans Comp/Rotary Fittings (BP/XSPC/Monsoon) Primoflex Pro LRT - White (1/2x3/4) Windows 7 Professional 64bit  
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
Dell P2210Hb 21.5" 1920x1080p Viewsonic VA2012WB 20.1" LCD 1680x1050 Dell U3014 Eizo 27" 1440p 10bit RGB-LED Backlit AH-IPS Panel 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
55" LG HDTV (their top 2014 model) Ducky Mechanical (Browns) NZXT HALE90 850W + 8 blown-up AX1200/i's NZXT Switch 810 (White) 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
R.A.T.3 + MX510 My Desk GRADO RS1i Headphones Grado PS1000 Headphones 
OtherOtherOtherOther
Bitfenix Hydra Pro Fan Controller 5ch 30W/ch Bitfenix Alchemy Individually-Sleeved Extension... NZXT Individually-Sleeved Front Panel Wires (Bl... Phobya Sleeved 1x3pin-to-4x3pin Fan Splitter 
OtherOtherOther
Sleeved Wires w Paracord myself (no Heatshrink) Custom Front and Top Panels w HexxMesh *In Prog... Working on Custom Pedestal Prototype 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3930K @ 4.92Ghz Asus Rampage 4 Extreme EVGA GTX670 FTW 2GB  EVGA GTX780Ti Classified K|ngp|n Edition @ 1483... 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveHard Drive
EVGA GTX780Ti Classified K|ngp|n Edition @ 1483... 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws-Z @ DDR3-2248 9-10-9-26 1T Samsung 830 256GB SSD WD10EZEX 1TB HDD 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
WD10EALX 1TB HDD Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 1TB WD3200AAKS 320GB HDD WD5000HHTZ 10krpm 500GB VelociRaptor 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
LG/Hitachi Slim DVD-R/W Custom MB-Backside VRM-sinks (Copper) 3x NZXT RF-FX140LB 1-2krpm 98.3CFM Case Fans 2x Corsair SP120-PE Case Fans 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Heatkiller GTX680 "Hole Edition" Block + Backplate XSPC Single-Bay Res (Single 5.25 bay) EK Multioption Res X2 - Advanced 150 DD "Fill-Port Res" + Fill-Port Fitting (Red) 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
2x MCP35X + Heatsinks/80x15mm Fan XSPC EX420 Alphacool NeXXos UT60 240 6x Bgears Blasters 140mm 1800rpm Fans 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
4x Koolance 120x25mm 2600rpm Fans Comp/Rotary Fittings (BP/XSPC/Monsoon) Primoflex Pro LRT - White (1/2x3/4) Windows 7 Professional 64bit  
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
Dell P2210Hb 21.5" 1920x1080p Viewsonic VA2012WB 20.1" LCD 1680x1050 Dell U3014 Eizo 27" 1440p 10bit RGB-LED Backlit AH-IPS Panel 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
55" LG HDTV (their top 2014 model) Ducky Mechanical (Browns) NZXT HALE90 850W + 8 blown-up AX1200/i's NZXT Switch 810 (White) 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
R.A.T.3 + MX510 My Desk GRADO RS1i Headphones Grado PS1000 Headphones 
OtherOtherOtherOther
Bitfenix Hydra Pro Fan Controller 5ch 30W/ch Bitfenix Alchemy Individually-Sleeved Extension... NZXT Individually-Sleeved Front Panel Wires (Bl... Phobya Sleeved 1x3pin-to-4x3pin Fan Splitter 
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Sleeved Wires w Paracord myself (no Heatshrink) Custom Front and Top Panels w HexxMesh *In Prog... Working on Custom Pedestal Prototype 
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post #4 of 15
Seems like you did your homework!

I doubt the rad would make more than 3 degree difference, so dont stress over it.. The EX is a great rad I personally have one.
post #5 of 15
It looks like you did your homework, those Monsoon fittings are lovely to look at, I have a couple I will be using for my build too...and for the radiator the NeXXos UT60's have been getting really good reviews...they are what you might call "all rounder radiators" performing reasonably well at different RPM's..I personally will be using them (480mm and 280mm) for my build as I too want to upgrade my GPU in the future...possible the 7990 or 8990 (ATI Fan here smile.gif)

check out this link..martin tested these rads..im sure you will find what will suit you

http://www.overclock.net/t/1219493/360-radiator-shootout-begins/0_100

Oh and all the best with your build...post up a work log..it will act as a diary/forum..people will help you if they see you going wrong somewhere!thumb.gif
post #6 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks to you both. I will certainly be posting a build log, I have taken so many pictures already and I haven't even started building, haha. I have been delayed a few times (grandparents both diagnosed with Stage 3 lung cancer, grandmother just had a stroke :/) So I have been itching to get this all put together! Even more so considering I don't have any Skt2011 air coolers so I won't know until my loop is finished that all my parts work for certain, which means if they don't, I am dealing with the manufacturer not the retailer :/ that's okay, though, my family needed me and a computer is just "stuff". Frustrating, but I refuse to lose sleep over it.

I have read all the UT60 reviews, especially Martins, and that is why I am considering it for my bottom rad. I don't want to deal with a 60mm thick rad up top considering the R4E Heatsinks and what not (plus, at least according to Martin) a 30mm thick rad only gives up 10-15 percent performance to an equivalent 60mm thick rad, and the EX420 is 36.5mm thick and has a higher number of fins than just about anything if you consider each split fin an individual fin. Not to mention, push-pull is usually good for 10-20% gains depending on the rad/fans, and the fact that a 420 has approx 7% more surface area than a 480. All those things add up to make it an easy choice for me up top.
However, there is at least 150mm of space in the bottom for a rad, so going with a 36.5mm thick rad isn't as advantageous in terms of space. And while with the UT60 I would be losing 8-9fpi (linearly) vs the EX240, it's also 40 percent thicker than the latter. The big difference is that the UT60 has an almost pure-copper design, as even the end tanks are copper. To me, this is appealing. Adding to that is the fact that the UT60 and the EX series are about the 2 best scaling rads in terms of fan speed, with the UT60 being better down low but scaling high while the EX doesn't start to come into its own until around 1200rpm but it continues to scale better at greater speeds.
So I feel like either rad would be a great match for the 4x Koolance 120x25mm 2800rpm fans (107cfm + 5.4mmHg), the EX perhaps slightly more so at full blast but the UT60 would likely be more copacetic with the fans turned down to 1200rpm.
Also, the number of ports standard to the UT60 is awesome, 7 I believe.

The downside is that it'd be 110mm tall with the fans installed which would almost completely block the lower front intake fan. Perhaps stronger case fans (Bitfenix Spectre Pro 140mm PWM when released) will be able to compensate for this, but even though I will be water cooling I still want great case airflow.

Such a tough choice!
   
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(31 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3930K @ 4.92Ghz Asus Rampage 4 Extreme EVGA GTX670 FTW 2GB  EVGA GTX780Ti Classified K|ngp|n Edition @ 1483... 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveHard Drive
EVGA GTX780Ti Classified K|ngp|n Edition @ 1483... 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws-Z @ DDR3-2248 9-10-9-26 1T Samsung 830 256GB SSD WD10EZEX 1TB HDD 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
WD10EALX 1TB HDD Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 1TB WD3200AAKS 320GB HDD WD5000HHTZ 10krpm 500GB VelociRaptor 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
LG/Hitachi Slim DVD-R/W Custom MB-Backside VRM-sinks (Copper) 3x NZXT RF-FX140LB 1-2krpm 98.3CFM Case Fans 2x Corsair SP120-PE Case Fans 
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The thicker rads have the most benefit at higher fan speeds, or with fans that move alot of air. I got the UT60 partially because of awesomeness / all copper but also so I can push/pull it when I add a 670 to the loop and use that benefit.

I'd go ahead and block your VRMs. I wish I could find a block to fit mine frown.gif
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Thanks to you both. I will certainly be posting a build log, I have taken so many pictures already and I haven't even started building, haha. I have been delayed a few times (grandparents both diagnosed with Stage 3 lung cancer, grandmother just had a stroke :/) So I have been itching to get this all put together! Even more so considering I don't have any Skt2011 air coolers so I won't know until my loop is finished that all my parts work for certain, which means if they don't, I am dealing with the manufacturer not the retailer :/ that's okay, though, my family needed me and a computer is just "stuff". Frustrating, but I refuse to lose sleep over it.

I have read all the UT60 reviews, especially Martins, and that is why I am considering it for my bottom rad. I don't want to deal with a 60mm thick rad up top considering the R4E Heatsinks and what not (plus, at least according to Martin) a 30mm thick rad only gives up 10-15 percent performance to an equivalent 60mm thick rad, and the EX420 is 36.5mm thick and has a higher number of fins than just about anything if you consider each split fin an individual fin. Not to mention, push-pull is usually good for 10-20% gains depending on the rad/fans, and the fact that a 420 has approx 7% more surface area than a 480. All those things add up to make it an easy choice for me up top.
However, there is at least 150mm of space in the bottom for a rad, so going with a 36.5mm thick rad isn't as advantageous in terms of space. And while with the UT60 I would be losing 8-9fpi (linearly) vs the EX240, it's also 40 percent thicker than the latter. The big difference is that the UT60 has an almost pure-copper design, as even the end tanks are copper. To me, this is appealing. Adding to that is the fact that the UT60 and the EX series are about the 2 best scaling rads in terms of fan speed, with the UT60 being better down low but scaling high while the EX doesn't start to come into its own until around 1200rpm but it continues to scale better at greater speeds.
So I feel like either rad would be a great match for the 4x Koolance 120x25mm 2800rpm fans (107cfm + 5.4mmHg), the EX perhaps slightly more so at full blast but the UT60 would likely be more copacetic with the fans turned down to 1200rpm.
Also, the number of ports standard to the UT60 is awesome, 7 I believe.

The downside is that it'd be 110mm tall with the fans installed which would almost completely block the lower front intake fan. Perhaps stronger case fans (Bitfenix Spectre Pro 140mm PWM when released) will be able to compensate for this, but even though I will be water cooling I still want great case airflow.

Such a tough choice!

First, I'm sorry to hear about your grandparents...I too have a close relative who had breast cancer...shes fine now but it was a long journey...shes got double D's now so shes not complaining lol...i hope they pull though mate.

Second, You put waaaaayyy too much thought into the radiators...at the end of the day its what you prefer price-performance the EX sums it up but performance wise...the UT60's do the business..its up to you! I'm in a similar situation...I don't know which fans to chose, could you please post a link of those Koolance fans...are they relatively quiet fans?
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Thanks for the well wishes. Unfortunately I am on my phone and so don't have the link handy, but you can find them at Performance PCs under Misc 120x25mm fans, listed in alphabetical order.

The reason I am sweating myself about the UT60 is because of the fact that I will be cooling a 2nd GPU and then the MB block and I would like to do so without having to add any external rads. At the same time, I very much prefer the thinner EX420 up top where real estate is at more of a premium.

I was thinking, do I really need the MCP35X2 housing for this loop? Or should I save the $70 total and stick with one for now (still with a heatsink)? The $70 it knocks off the total cost would be a godsend, and I can always buy the housing at any time and easily go from one to two pumps.. I guess I don't even need the housing for that, it just looks so purrrty.
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Thanks for the well wishes. Unfortunately I am on my phone and so don't have the link handy, but you can find them at Performance PCs under Misc 120x25mm fans, listed in alphabetical order.

The reason I am sweating myself about the UT60 is because of the fact that I will be cooling a 2nd GPU and then the MB block and I would like to do so without having to add any external rads. At the same time, I very much prefer the thinner EX420 up top where real estate is at more of a premium.

I was thinking, do I really need the MCP35X2 housing for this loop? Or should I save the $70 total and stick with one for now (still with a heatsink)? The $70 it knocks off the total cost would be a godsend, and I can always buy the housing at any time and easily go from one to two pumps.. I guess I don't even need the housing for that, it just looks so purrrty.
Any thoughts?

lol sorry for the late reply, if your looking to build an aesthetically good looking case..then go for the housing but only go for it if you are going to see the housing from outside the case (acrylic/perspex window should be large enough) other wise I don't see the point of the housing if its covered by the side panel.My build will have a full glass sided panel..literally the whole side should be visible for people to view.

the EX420 will have the advantage that it has more surface area to dissipate the heat from the coolant...so even running your fans at medium RPM..you could get good results...and also a near quiet computer if that's what your after.thumb.gif
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