Originally Posted by ElevenEleven
Originally Posted by Gnomepatrol
How is that common sense? Nvidia still doesn't have have a full line up out yet. They have three cards and have just hit a reasonable stock to be able to allow majority of people to purchase them. They are far behind AMD in supply alone and haven't even touched the biggest sector of the market. I don't see gk110 for a good solid 6+ months after the 8xxx release.
I feel like every time this discussion happens, everyone forgets that previous generation cards are still on sale -- all those GTX 560 Ti's are selling just fine. Every time I go to Microcenter, someone tries to sell me one "oh it's a great midrange card". I don't see a problem with not releasing all of the new generation at once -- most people look at prices and speed and just go with what they can afford -- whether it's the latest generation or one from a year and a half ago -- they don't know any better. Until now, nVidia's still been making money on its 500-generation cards (and AMD on 6000 too).
Just an overall, if this was the beginning of 2008 then the numbers would be switched. Nvidia has had supply issues for so long it has cut into their market share. They have been having this issue since the GTX 2xx days. Although not as pronounced during those days, AMD started trumping them on availability with the 4xxx. Not to mention the bang for buck at the time. Roll forward to 2009 and the release of the HD 5xxx series, Nvidia had no answer for around 7 months, minus their gt 2xx series where they finally got dx 10.1 support. I will concede that the first three weeks the 5870 was sparse, but the supply ramped up quickly. Once Nvidia caught up with the GTX 480 they had supply issues for months and the infamous TDP issues.
Roll down the road one year later from the HD 5xxx release and AMD rolled out there HD 6xxx series. Same issue mild availability for the few couple weeks then ramped up to wide availability. Nvidia had no answer, granted the GTX 4xx was perfectly viable, they are still behind a generation. This wouldn't be a huge issue, but Nvidia got hammered for being behind initially with their first dx11 card then top it with the TDP issue that was plastered everywhere. The damage was done and AMD marketshare was rising still, while Nvidia's was falling. Nvidia finally answered with the refresh of the GTX 4xx series. Finally we had both fermi chips opened up to full capacity 384 shaders and 512 shaders. The gains were not huge, but they solved their TDP issues.
Another year later, this time post hd 6xxx series and AMD drops it's new HD 7xxx series cards. Availability issues were limited and they were able to charge what they want as their upper mid-range card was trumping Nvidia's current top end (7870 with a mild oc). Nvidia answered 4 months later with its GTX 680 release. Unfortunately getting your hands on one meant you had a really quick add to cart and credit card input as the availability was incredibly sparse. It took them months to get stock to reasonable levels and in that time released the 670 with the same issue. Come to today and Nvidia is releasing the 660 and it looks like the availability is there for this card and finally they have an upper end lineup out. There are two issues for me with their 6xx series though, they cut their compute power and they have no midrange. Nothing sub 300$ they are losing out on the biggest part of the market.
Now you say people still buy cards such as the gtx 560 ti, why? Who? I don't think and OCN member would purchase a gtx 560 ti right now with the 7850 out there. I doubt with the way marketing goes your average consumer is going to buy a card with a smaller number. They have been trained to think the larger the number the better the item. This was a lot of rambling and spilling of the thought process and if I made any mistakes correct it. Just from my observations of the last 5 years.
I am sure I can keep ranting on, but I need coffee