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irrelevant. and that jump was a worthy upgrade. the 660ti is a good choice for someone with a much weaker gpu or no gpu etc. people tend to bring up power consumption when it suite the moments random point and it's duly noted, but SharpShoot3r07's TX750 can handle a 580 or two with plenty of room to spare.

lol, I wish I had your power of understanding to determine what is and is not relevant in any and every situation. Lots of reviewers tend to include power consumption, why would they include data that is, irrelevant to us all?

That's cool, he can power 2 580s with a 750W, I can power a 690 with a 650W, do I win a prize?
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i just gigabyte 660 TI OC

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3002/20120818111718.jpg


3DMARK 11

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Number one the entire discussion was about resale value. And number again two is who cares?
The 400 dollar 7970 performs at worst like a 500 dollar 680 and you're acting like this is an issue.

Well, we won't get anywhere this way. Because we can go on like this all day discussing whether the GTX 680 is better than an OC'ed 7970 etc. etc.

The crux of this problem is that this happens in the same generation. Wait until HD8k and GTX 700 comes around, then the resale value gets cut again on top of the $150.

If I bought a 7970 for $549 and had to sell it for $380 within 4 months I'd totally regret it. While half a year later it would perhaps have a resale value of what, $250-$280? Of course this is from a personal perspective but so is yours wink.gif

It might not be a personal issue for you but don't make false claims like this is common for early adopters, it's not. History confirms it. That was not my opinion...
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GTX 580's still go for ~$500 lol

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=gtx+580

If there's another price drop though, pick up another one for crossfire or SLI. If there isn't, sell it second hand for decent value.
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lol, I wish I had your power of understanding ......

I can believe that. you, well I guess not you, can tell from my reply that what's irrelevant is your example of gtx280-gtx580 bus shrinking when the 580 is over twice as fast. remember the part where I said "that was a worthy upgrade"? not that I stated anything about the 660ti's bus to begin with rolleyes.gif that was the peanut gallery wink.gif anyway, here's a gtx285/gtx580 comparison. keep in mind the gtx280 is slower than the 285. guess that's why "nobody seemed to mind". here's the "upgrade" being discussed. I never said power consumption was irrelevant at all, let alone to "us all" as I was replying to one guy about his options.try and remember context when reading and posting thumb.gif
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How is that common sense? Nvidia still doesn't have have a full line up out yet. They have three cards and have just hit a reasonable stock to be able to allow majority of people to purchase them. They are far behind AMD in supply alone and haven't even touched the biggest sector of the market. I don't see gk110 for a good solid 6+ months after the 8xxx release.

I feel like every time this discussion happens, everyone forgets that previous generation cards are still on sale -- all those GTX 560 Ti's are selling just fine. Every time I go to Microcenter, someone tries to sell me one "oh it's a great midrange card". I don't see a problem with not releasing all of the new generation at once -- most people look at prices and speed and just go with what they can afford -- whether it's the latest generation or one from a year and a half ago -- they don't know any better. Until now, nVidia's still been making money on its 500-generation cards (and AMD on 6000 too).

http://www.techpowerup.com/170575/Graphics-Shipments-in-Q2-Increased-2.5-Over-Last-Quarter-and-5.5-Over-Last-Year.html

Just an overall, if this was the beginning of 2008 then the numbers would be switched. Nvidia has had supply issues for so long it has cut into their market share. They have been having this issue since the GTX 2xx days. Although not as pronounced during those days, AMD started trumping them on availability with the 4xxx. Not to mention the bang for buck at the time. Roll forward to 2009 and the release of the HD 5xxx series, Nvidia had no answer for around 7 months, minus their gt 2xx series where they finally got dx 10.1 support. I will concede that the first three weeks the 5870 was sparse, but the supply ramped up quickly. Once Nvidia caught up with the GTX 480 they had supply issues for months and the infamous TDP issues.

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Another year later, this time post hd 6xxx series and AMD drops it's new HD 7xxx series cards. Availability issues were limited and they were able to charge what they want as their upper mid-range card was trumping Nvidia's current top end (7870 with a mild oc). Nvidia answered 4 months later with its GTX 680 release. Unfortunately getting your hands on one meant you had a really quick add to cart and credit card input as the availability was incredibly sparse. It took them months to get stock to reasonable levels and in that time released the 670 with the same issue. Come to today and Nvidia is releasing the 660 and it looks like the availability is there for this card and finally they have an upper end lineup out. There are two issues for me with their 6xx series though, they cut their compute power and they have no midrange. Nothing sub 300$ they are losing out on the biggest part of the market.

Now you say people still buy cards such as the gtx 560 ti, why? Who? I don't think and OCN member would purchase a gtx 560 ti right now with the 7850 out there. I doubt with the way marketing goes your average consumer is going to buy a card with a smaller number. They have been trained to think the larger the number the better the item. This was a lot of rambling and spilling of the thought process and if I made any mistakes correct it. Just from my observations of the last 5 years.



I am sure I can keep ranting on, but I need coffee biggrin.gif
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I've been looking at these pics of the EVGA 660ti
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/56090-nvidia-geforce-gtx-660-ti-review-3.html

And it strikes me how short the pcb board is compared to my 6870 and my 4890-shaped paperweight.
The last time I had graphics card this short was my X1650 XT
Will all 660 ti's be the same size or is EVGA the exception?
Edited by EarlGrey - 8/18/12 at 8:45am
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The 660ti is a solid card but it really needed 256 rather then 192. I was at my buds house playing with his 660ti and its a great card but once you start to use AA the card starts to show that 192bit is just not enough. I really dont see the 660ti being able to keep up for upcoming games such as Crysis 3 & metro last light

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http://www.techpowerup.com/170575/Graphics-Shipments-in-Q2-Increased-2.5-Over-Last-Quarter-and-5.5-Over-Last-Year.html
Just an overall, if this was the beginning of 2008 then the numbers would be switched. Nvidia has had supply issues for so long it has cut into their market share. They have been having this issue since the GTX 2xx days. Although not as pronounced during those days, AMD started trumping them on availability with the 4xxx. Not to mention the bang for buck at the time. Roll forward to 2009 and the release of the HD 5xxx series, Nvidia had no answer for around 7 months, minus their gt 2xx series where they finally got dx 10.1 support. I will concede that the first three weeks the 5870 was sparse, but the supply ramped up quickly. Once Nvidia caught up with the GTX 480 they had supply issues for months and the infamous TDP issues.
Roll down the road one year later from the HD 5xxx release and AMD rolled out there HD 6xxx series. Same issue mild availability for the few couple weeks then ramped up to wide availability. Nvidia had no answer, granted the GTX 4xx was perfectly viable, they are still behind a generation. This wouldn't be a huge issue, but Nvidia got hammered for being behind initially with their first dx11 card then top it with the TDP issue that was plastered everywhere. The damage was done and AMD marketshare was rising still, while Nvidia's was falling. Nvidia finally answered with the refresh of the GTX 4xx series. Finally we had both fermi chips opened up to full capacity 384 shaders and 512 shaders. The gains were not huge, but they solved their TDP issues.
Another year later, this time post hd 6xxx series and AMD drops it's new HD 7xxx series cards. Availability issues were limited and they were able to charge what they want as their upper mid-range card was trumping Nvidia's current top end (7870 with a mild oc). Nvidia answered 4 months later with its GTX 680 release. Unfortunately getting your hands on one meant you had a really quick add to cart and credit card input as the availability was incredibly sparse. It took them months to get stock to reasonable levels and in that time released the 670 with the same issue. Come to today and Nvidia is releasing the 660 and it looks like the availability is there for this card and finally they have an upper end lineup out. There are two issues for me with their 6xx series though, they cut their compute power and they have no midrange. Nothing sub 300$ they are losing out on the biggest part of the market.
Now you say people still buy cards such as the gtx 560 ti, why? Who? I don't think and OCN member would purchase a gtx 560 ti right now with the 7850 out there. I doubt with the way marketing goes your average consumer is going to buy a card with a smaller number. They have been trained to think the larger the number the better the item. This was a lot of rambling and spilling of the thought process and if I made any mistakes correct it. Just from my observations of the last 5 years.

I am sure I can keep ranting on, but I need coffee biggrin.gif

Problem is that the great majority of people don't do their research - or don't do enough of it anyway. That goes for any product / pet / hobby. Maybe those who visit OCN and do analytical comparisons wouldn't go for a gtx 560 ti a month or two ago, but I look at Slickdeals, stores, etc., and people buy those all the time. Especially when GTX 560 ti was slightly cheaper than hd 7850, including sales (~$200 vs ~$250). Even GTX $480 on $200 sales was hot stuff until recently, regardless of heat and ridiculous power consumption. Anyway, I listen to people I meet and see at places like Micro center, and they have no clear idea of what it is the proper hierarchy, what their needs truly are, and what is a good value. They absorb everything they hear a sales associate say.

Just the fact that the 500 series stayed competitive with 7000 series in stores for so long is evidence enough. 550 ti -> 560 ti 448 core was the midrange. Perhaps still is, given all the recent 560 ti sales for under $200 - back up now.
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I've been looking at these pics of the EVGA 660ti
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/56090-nvidia-geforce-gtx-660-ti-review-3.html

And it strikes me how short the pcb board is compared my 6870 and my 4890-shaped paperweight.
The last time I had graphics card this short was my X1650 XT
Will all 660 ti's be the same size or is EVGA the exception?

most lower mid-low end cards are this size, some smaller, but they are wimpy lol. that's the size of the reference 660. there are a bunch of non reference models that are bigger, but every reference model will be the same size as that evga.
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Samsung 830 SSD 128GB 3TB Toshiba  3TB Toshiba Custom Water 
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