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Working on a new build and would like to water cool this time.

Mobo: Asus ROG Maximus Formula / ThunderFX
Case: NZXT Technologies Switch 810
CPU: i7 Socket: 1155

- not cooling GPU for now -

Spent about 3 days reading on just the WC side of this build and I am kinda confused on two parts, the pump and the CPU Block. What I was originally looking at getting for the pump was this:

Danger Den / Laing DDC Rev. 3.25

I then moved onto trying to find a nice CPU Block. I looked at a few from Bitspower and was pretty meh, I liked the Apogee HD, but wasn't sure if that would actually fit on an 1155 socket.

Where I got really confused was when I found this:

Swiftech Apogee Drive II Pump & CPU Waterblock Combo - Without Pump

This looks really nice and has good reviews. They have one with a pump as well.

Now, sorry for the long lead up, but here are my questions:

1. Could this block - without pump - be installed like any other block and work with the DD pump I mentioned above?
2. Would it be better to just get the version WITH the pump and forego the DD pump?
2a. Would the built in pump be able to push enough water?

I am trying to decide what would be the best way to go and still keep things a little more cost conscience. I don't want to spend money when it's really not needed, but at the same time ad rather pay a little more now than have to later. If I don't NEED the DD pump that would save me about $70 which could go someplace else.

I was confused about the pumpless version here because it almost looks like it would need something else attached to it, but IDK...

Any help, advice, or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
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post #2 of 17
That Swiftech block is special as you said. It needs something else to work. It needs a pump attached directly to the block. If you were to use this block, you should just purchase the block with the pump attached. If you don't use the Swiftech block, You'd get a normal block like a XSPC Raystorm, which requires a pump that is in your watercooling loop.
post #3 of 17
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Originally Posted by ZDngrfld View Post

That Swiftech block is special as you said. It needs something else to work. It needs a pump attached directly to the block. If you were to use this block, you should just purchase the block with the pump attached. If you don't use the Swiftech block, You'd get a normal block like a XSPC Raystorm, which requires a pump that is in your watercooling loop.

Ok cool, TYVM +rep

It's funny you mention the Raystorm, because I was looking at that exact option as well. Still wondering on what would be the better setup. I guess I could look at some specs and maybe figure how much water I would be pushing in my loop.
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post #4 of 17
Less restriction = better cooling. The Raystorm is one of the least restricting blocks out at the moment. What you can do, which I would recommend for a first time watercooling setup is to purchase a kit. XSPC makes kits that have everything you need. XSPC kits at FrozenCPU. Basically you'll just need to look at the options that would fit your case. The RX series radiators are a two row radiator that are basically double the thickness of a normal radiator. RS are the lower end models. EX is the newest model that is a combination of both series. It has the performance of the RX series but the form factor of the RS series.
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Less restriction = better cooling. The Raystorm is one of the least restricting blocks out at the moment. What you can do, which I would recommend for a first time watercooling setup is to purchase a kit. XSPC makes kits that have everything you need. XSPC kits at FrozenCPU. Basically you'll just need to look at the options that would fit your case. The RX series radiators are a two row radiator that are basically double the thickness of a normal radiator. RS are the lower end models. EX is the newest model that is a combination of both series. It has the performance of the RX series but the form factor of the RS series.

I noticed the kits there and I think that would be a good way to go and looks like it would be much cheaper as well, which is nice. As far as the size, I don't really think I will have much of an issue with that either way, the case I'm getting is huge. Besides, I'm not afraid of power tools thumb.gif

I think the only thing my OCD would demand in this setup is changing out the blue led tails to red ones.
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post #6 of 17
The only issue I could foresee is that if you get a RX radiator. The bottom of the radiator might hang too low and could obstruct the memory slots on the motherboard. I ran into that with my Cosmos-S case. I had to mount the fans on the top of the radiator so they wouldn't interfere with the motherboard. You might not have that issue with that case though, I can't say for sure since I've never worked with it before.
post #7 of 17
I'm guessing the motherboard it's the Maximus V Formula, correct? If so, then I would suggest you keep your tubing to 3/8 since the barbs are fixed into the VRM block. Of course this is only if you are planning on using water on that block.
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The only issue I could foresee is that if you get a RX radiator. The bottom of the radiator might hang too low and could obstruct the memory slots on the motherboard. I ran into that with my Cosmos-S case. I had to mount the fans on the top of the radiator so they wouldn't interfere with the motherboard. You might not have that issue with that case though, I can't say for sure since I've never worked with it before.

Looks like I leaning towards the EX kit, prob the 240. The only thing I am trying to find out right now is fitting size on the built in block for my Mobo. Eyeballing it, it looks like 3/8 fitting. All the kits I have seen for the EX side look like 7/16" x 5/8"

Looks like just figuring out what size fittings and tubes I will need is the last part before I can order and build tongue.gif
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post #9 of 17
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I'm guessing the motherboard it's the Maximus V Formula, correct? If so, then I would suggest you keep your tubing to 3/8 since the barbs are fixed into the VRM block. Of course this is only if you are planning on using water on that block.

Yes, you would be correct.

I actually found the kit a little cheaper here

Cheaper Kit

They have the 3/8 conversion for it to, so i'm just going to order it with that and the red LEDs. Should be pretty nice smile.gif
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post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by ZDngrfld View Post

Less restriction = better cooling. The Raystorm is one of the least restricting blocks out at the moment. What you can do, which I would recommend for a first time watercooling setup is to purchase a kit. XSPC makes kits that have everything you need. XSPC kits at FrozenCPU. Basically you'll just need to look at the options that would fit your case. The RX series radiators are a two row radiator that are basically double the thickness of a normal radiator. RS are the lower end models. EX is the newest model that is a combination of both series. It has the performance of the RX series but the form factor of the RS series.


That depends on your definition of what better means. Less restriction is better for loop flow because it puts less stress on your pump, but just being less restrictive does not equate to better temps.
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