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Yeah the gigabyte 7950 I just received this last week does 1200/1575 no sweat with minimal voltage tweaking and stays under 65 degrees. It seems to be pushing on 7970 Ghz performance wise but I know not all of them do that. I can't imagine what computing a great OC'd 7970 would do.
See, this is my point. Thats a great card you have there btw thumb.gif . The 7XXX basically takes lottery out of the equation, while I have seen some people with bad cards, its just not as frequent compared to 600's.
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You're easily beating 7970GHz stock performance with that actually. 1000MHz 7950 is slightly faster than a stock (925MHz) 7970. Just ever so slightly.

Well then I'm really happy I took a gamble on picking up the Gigabyte for $309 before the 660ti launch and reviews came out. smile.gif
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Well then I'm really happy I took a gamble on picking up the Gigabyte for $309 before the 660ti launch and reviews came out. smile.gif
Excellent choice, I personally think the 7950, while in the same price range, is just so much better.
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I'd go for a lower end 670 or a 7950. Stay away from the 660Ti if possible because its 192bit not 256bit so its quite a lot slower in that aspect. Since your gaming i would go with the 7950 as its also much more powerful. go by the power of the GPU and if you have to splurge and spend a little more for better then it will be worth it.
   
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theres been plenty of benchmarks released today of the 660ti beating the 7970 oc'd too. hmm.

The Fanboy is strong in this one.....

OP: At 1080p you have a lot of great options for you. The GTX 670 is really beastly, and then you have the 7950's, both are a bit on the overkill side at your resolution. Personally? If I were in your shoes I would head over to our super duper awesome Market Place and pick up a 7950 or 670 used. At 1080p it is really a flip of the coin on which way you can go, you would be super happy with either.
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Just a note about TWIMTBP it is because of PhysX support and nothing else.

Actually, it isn't just about Physx....

Developers that sign up for TWIMTBP program receive millions, depending on the scope of the game, in programming and optimization support from Nvidia. At any given time Nvidia has on staff 250 to 350 programmers who have the job of working with various developers to integrate Physx into their game, but also to highly optimize around Nvidia products. There is another discussion thread going in the Video Game News section, Borderlands 2 Physx Demo, where I provide more detailed information.
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The Fanboy is strong in this one.....


definitely not a fan boy, but good try. rolleyes.gif Just look at the reviews there are plenty of benches with 660ti winning, even being 5fps short of the 670, then there are some reviews with 7950 winning. It goes back and forth. It just depends on your needs and if physX in borderlands 2 is worth that much to you atm.
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Thank you everyone for the help. I've read a ton of comments and reviews and I ended up getting an MSI 660ti PE from Canada Computers for $309 ($352 w/ tax). Here's why:

I think the 7950 is the better card, however, when you factor in taxes and shipping the cheapest I could find was about $410. From looking at the all benchmarks there's really only a 5-7 FPS difference between the 7950 and 660ti at 1080p so I went with the cheaper option. The free Borderlands 2 deal was also a factor since I would have bought that game anyway.

So far I've lightly OC'd my 660 using Afterburner to add 50 to the Core Clock and 250 to the Memory Clock without touching the voltage. I downloaded a couple of Hi-Res texture packs for Skyrim (Bethesda, SkyrimHD, Skyrim Realistic Overhaul) and I'm getting between 46-60 FPS on average with 4x AA.

One weird thing I noticed was that my Auzentech Forte was getting some serious EMI interference from the MSI card. Moving it from the top PCIe slot (which was directly above the GPU), to the bottom PCIe slot seems to have fixed the issue.
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definitely not a fan boy, but good try. rolleyes.gif Just look at the reviews there are plenty of benches with 660ti winning, even being 5fps short of the 670, then there are some reviews with 7950 winning. It goes back and forth. It just depends on your needs and if physX in borderlands 2 is worth that much to you atm.

doh.gif

Ok, let's pretend to ignore the fact that the 660 Ti has HALF (144 GB/s) of memory throughput as the 7970 (288 GB/s), and that somehow throughput doesn't impact performance.....

We all agree the 660 Ti at 1200p and lower resolution with AA turned off does well. The moment you start to turn on AA or go above that 1080p/1200p resolution it QUICKLY falls off! Not to mention the 7850's it has been getting benchmarked against are the 800Mhz version, not the now more standard 900Mhz version.

The 660 Ti just doesn't compare to the 7970 when you turn on any visual enhancements of any significance, and even the 7850 properly clocked holds against it.
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Thank you everyone for the help. I've read a ton of comments and reviews and I ended up getting an MSI 660ti PE from Canada Computers for $309 ($352 w/ tax). Here's why:
I think the 7950 is the better card, however, when you factor in taxes and shipping the cheapest I could find was about $410. From looking at the all benchmarks there's really only a 5-7 FPS difference between the 7950 and 660ti at 1080p so I went with the cheaper option. The free Borderlands 2 deal was also a factor since I would have bought that game anyway.
So far I've lightly OC'd my 660 using Afterburner to add 50 to the Core Clock and 250 to the Memory Clock without touching the voltage. I downloaded a couple of Hi-Res texture packs for Skyrim (Bethesda, SkyrimHD, Skyrim Realistic Overhaul) and I'm getting between 46-60 FPS on average with 4x AA.
One weird thing I noticed was that my Auzentech Forte was getting some serious EMI interference from the MSI card. Moving it from the top PCIe slot (which was directly above the GPU), to the bottom PCIe slot seems to have fixed the issue.

Best of luck to you, and ouchie on the pricing and shipping situation. I really do feel bad for some of you guys out there in the world, you seem to get nailed with a ridiculous premium on getting parts to your door.
    
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660ti is a great card no matter, But since ull be playing at 1080p with AA and MSAA then u shud see this..

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/873-23/bus-memoire-192-bit-impact.html
U can see very clearly that compared to 670, 660ti begins to fall 15% behind once u crank up AA and MSAA.

Now regarding ur choice between 7950 and 660ti.. Id say get 7950. Given that there r sooo many mixed opinions regarding 7950 and 660ti. Check this out
http://www.3dcenter.org/artikel/launch-analyse-nvidia-geforce-gtx-660-ti/launch-analyse-nvidia-geforce-gtx-660-ti-seite-2

This page predicts the average performance gap between 7950 and 660ti taking into consideration around 10-12 different reviews...
stock vs stock, 7950 is 3-5% faster than 660ti.
7950 OC is around 8-10% faster than 660ti OC. ( the reason being 7950 scales excellent when overclocked )
In addition 7950 overclocking potential is tremendous compared to 660ti with additional 3gb of Vram..

Following is the comparison between Highly overclocked 7950 and 660ti.
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/nvidia_gtx_660ti_roundup_asus_msi_galaxy/
The results r pretty clear here as well.

SO in the end, if u are on a very tight budget, cant spare a penny extra then overclocked 660ti looks good.
On a slightly flexible budget u can add 20 dollars more to get overclocked 7950..
Or if u have more cash then u can get Gtx670 for 400 dollars .This card is also overclocked and performs 5-7% faster than overclocked 7950. ( but note that upon manual overclocking, 7950 is around only 1-2% slower than maximally overclocked 670 for 50 dollars less. )

SO the choice is pretty simple, It depends upon ur budget, 7950 falling right in the middle between 660ti and 670 both performance and price wise.. But if i were u, Ill go for 7950 because of extra Vram, high bandwidth, huge overclocking headroom and more future proofing..
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doh.gif
Ok, let's pretend to ignore the fact that the 660 Ti has HALF (144 GB/s) of memory throughput as the 7970 (288 GB/s), and that somehow throughput doesn't impact performance.....
We all agree the 660 Ti at 1200p and lower resolution with AA turned off does well. The moment you start to turn on AA or go above that 1080p/1200p resolution it QUICKLY falls off! Not to mention the 7850's it has been getting benchmarked against are the 800Mhz version, not the now more standard 900Mhz version.
The 660 Ti just doesn't compare to the 7970 when you turn on any visual enhancements of any significance, and even the 7850 properly clocked holds against it.

I just bought a 660ti but I agree that it's not nearly as powerful as the 7970, especially at anything over 1080p or with high AA. From everything I've seen I'd say the 660ti is slightly better than a 7850, equal to an OC'd 7870, and very slightly below the 7950. There doesn't really seem to be much more than a 10 FPS difference between any of these cards though.
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