Originally Posted by Mookster
The comment on nV actively seeking to do harm to AMD was in a broader sense. I'm pointing to their overall willingness to do so, like we've seen over the years. Some companies seek only to promote their products, while others seek to degrade the products of their competitors. I'm sure you'll agree that nV has done it's share of underhanded things in the past -- I'd really prefer to stray from going source hunting on this, though.
Only allowing AA for NV cards in batman: AA is the only occasion that springs into my mind. At least NV has a much bigger and longer history of sponsoring developers to add stuff like the high res and dx11 pack in crysis 2. They're also much more prevalent in organizing all kinds of LAN parties and otherwise promoting PC gaming, which while offering merketing benefits for NV also helps PC gaming as a whole.
Also if you're not willing to quote sources or list more events of NV harming AMD then how is your statement credible?
After the original Borderlands, I'm sure the demand was seen for a broad PC featureset. I see this going one of two ways:
Borderland 2 developers saw the need and completely ignored it at which point nV stepped in an offered to take care of it to promote their lineup.
Or, the need was seen and the developers actually chose PhysX over Havok, knowing AMD users would be outraged.
The 2nd suggestion is pretty much a conspiracy theory. Proof would be needed to even consider the situation seriously.
In the first scenario, nV obviously isn't innocently offering it's PhysX-ready customers (niche market) some free benefits; they're buying a new advertising tool to use against AMD, and you've seen it in that video.
This scenario is a win-win to customers though, it doesn't really matter to the customer that NV gets some advertising.
In the second scenario, I suspect fundamental bribery because this is a terrible, terrible move from the Borderlands team; this thread is a fine testament to that fact. However, if they were truly too stupid to see this coming, I still see their choice of PhysX as insulting to the PC market as a whole.
Again, proof needed before this can even be considered. There's nothing even pointing towards GB looking to use havoc or implement a more detailed physics modeling system for all platforms.
Even if they were considering it, it would have been a hugely more expensive options most likely.
Havok is far better middleware for nVidia users aswell as AMD users anyway.
I'll be the first to admit that I don't understand the technical aspects when it comes to differences between havok and PhysX beyond the most basic stuff.
What I would like to know though is that how is havok just simply a 'better' option? Doesn't this completely depend on the situation? I've also never seen a havok based game with similar effects compared to heavy GPU PhysX games like Alice madness returns, Mafia 2 or BL2.
My point? Both companies are actively alienating AMD users. nV is going rather far to do so, and the BL2 team is either too stupid, or too enticed by nV's mysterious "incentives" to care.
Again, AMD buyers knew that their cards weren't capable of GPU PhysX and GB is not taking anything away from AMD owners, why would AMD owners be alienated?
At the end of the day, we're all getting screwed over, even nV users.
This has more to do with disagreeing with the principle of PhysX in general. When it comes to BL2, it would look like NV users aren't getting screwed over at all. Neither are AMD users though.