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Nice try, Nvidia marketing department.

Really? Marketing? What do you expect from a company offers not only hardware; but free support to developers? Plus, Nvidia drivers, vendors, support, etc has in my experience been MILES better than anything AMD and their vendors have ever given me. I feel like the money I put into anything Nvidia related gets me good returns meanwhile I fel like any and all money I'm saving on AMD really shows in the lack of everything I don't get...you know. Consistent driver updates that give me gains in performance, competent vendors like EVGA and not companies like Sapphire that outsource RMA's and send you refurbished crap or XFX which is all around terrible. Glad I sold my 6970 and 6950 and bought 670 FTW.

422.26 well spent.

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I bet nobody has one of these bad boys thumb.gif

Those were awesome! Are they still usable?
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Silentkilla what is it that you dont like about this gen of nvidia gpus. They are probably their best work since the gtx200 series

Not trying to start a flamewar or anything, but it's mainly the fact that 79xx seem to scale better with overclocking, and they are better with watercooling, as the voltage isn't locked. I also prefer AMD's drivers, just a personal thing (had more issues with nVidia). The main reason though, is that a 7970 is $450 for reference over here, while 680s are $600 for a reference. Now, I know 7970s and 670s compete, but an overclocked 7970 can keep up with an overclocked 680, so it just seems like a better deal IMO.
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I worked at NetDevil

So what happened to Jumpgate Revolution?
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the destruction was predetermined on the CPU side, the effects for it were done on the GPU side.

Very interesting.

Still, that seems to leave CellFactor. I'm not sure how the manipulation of the objects (which interact with other object, the player, and enemies) shown in that game could be predetermined. I'll have to download it and see if I can figure out how much PhysX is doing.

Regardless, I'm still not seeing how the GPU is really anything more than a massively parallel co-processor, or why it wouldn't be able to run it's own physics threads (PhysX, some other middleware, or some other engine entirely) that could interact with the rest of a game just as physics threads run on a CPU could. Maybe not as efficiently (due to PCI-E latency), but not uselessly inefficiently either.

And regarding PCI-E latency: http://www.hypertransport.org/docs/wp/Latency_Comparison_HyperTransport_PCIe_in_Communications_Systems.pdf

I've played multi-threaded games across multiple CPUs connected by HT, and they weren't slowed down appreciably by the interconnect, nor do I suspect they would have been even at half the HT frequency (and thus double the latency, or something roughly on par with PCI-E).
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Those were awesome! Are they still usable?

With old versions of PhysX, yes.

They are way too slow to be useful with modern hardware/games however.
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Really? Marketing? What do you expect from a company offers not only hardware; but free support to developers? Plus, Nvidia drivers, vendors, support, etc has in my experience been MILES better than anything AMD and their vendors have ever given me. I feel like the money I put into anything Nvidia related gets me good returns meanwhile I fel like any and all money I'm saving on AMD really shows in the lack of everything I don't get...you know. Consistent driver updates that give me gains in performance, competent vendors like EVGA and not companies like Sapphire that outsource RMA's and send you refurbished crap or XFX which is all around terrible. Glad I sold my 6970 and 6950 and bought 670 FTW.
422.26 well spent.

I don't think I have heard anything more insane than this on these forums, if what you said in the highlighted section isn't fanboyism, I don't know what is.

You do realize that the vendors who sell Nvidia cards also sell ATi cards? MSi, Zotac, HIS, XFX, EVGA, ASUS, etc.....

When you call they don't have an extra special department setup to provide awesome customer service to just Nvidia cards. You get the same company, same employees, and go through the same process, no matter if your card is AMD or Nvidia when it comes to contacting the respective vendors. So I absolutely fail to see how there is a difference of "MILES" between vendors when they are the same freaking vendors!!!

doh.gif

As for driver support....

That is such an old stand-by, people really need to let it go. Currently I am using an Nvidia card, and in the last 12 months I have purchased at least 4 AMD cards and another 3 or 4 Nvidia cards for various builds. With the exception of one DOA card, which was promptly replaced, I have not had a single driver issue with AMD! I have however had a driver issue with Nvidia, just recently, I upgraded drivers on my own system which uses a GTX 470. I went from 296.10 to the 301.42, and the performance just tanked! After spending time trying to optimize settings and multiple games, I just went back to 296.10.

With that said; This was the first issue I have had with ANY driver from EITHER side in years!

As for RMA's giving you "refurbished" items as a replacement....that is a standard business practice. I have yet to find a company that provides you a brand new in the box product on a warranty exchange.
    
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However, hardware PhysX is restricted if you have an AMD/ATI GPU installed, even if you have an NVIDIA GPU in the same system.
That's pretty backasswards don't you think?
Who has something better?

And why shouldn't it be restricted on the competitions' cards/systems? rolleyes.gif No company does anything solely for the customer. They always have some benefit in mind. That's how businesses work.
And apparently, Nvidia has something better if people see the difference PhysX makes and then complain about not being able to run it on their AMD systems. Buy the competition's card or don't enjoy PhysX, that simple.
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Nice try, Nvidia marketing department.

I tried nothing of the sort. It's obvious you don't see what I'm trying to say here- Either buy Nvidia or don't. If you want to go with someone else, then don't complain about what your missing out on or what you can't do. I don't care what you buy one way or the other, just don't expect 'the best of both worlds' when competition is involved.
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I can't believe all the complaining in this thread about a company using it's own technology. It makes perfect sense to restrict PhysX to Nvidia-only setups.
Instead of complaining about another company's card doing more than yours, why don't you just buy that other card next time? Someone has something better, then switch companies. Do you have to buy an AMD card to take advantage of their price/performance ratio? Well then you have to buy a Nvidia card to take advantage of their offerings as well.

rofl, a graphics card monopoly is so good for PC gaming mhm
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Buy the competition's card or don't enjoy PhysX, that simple.

did you just tell people to buy from one company only again? It's like you want PC gaming to be some mess of proprietary bloat and expensive hardware
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rofl, a graphics card monopoly is so good for PC gaming mhm

?? People complaning about not being able to run PhysX...

There's always some feature out there another company has that the other doesn't. That doesn't mean every single market is a monopoly. Jeez.
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developers should embrace open standards and not something that only 1 company's customers can use

there is no need for this PhysX crapware
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