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To be fair, NVidia could allow AMD main cards to run an NVidia Physx card in the same system and just refuse any support and leave it to the community
To be fair:
They could also give CUDA tech out, microsoft could release all their source codes to everyone, Intel could give all their tech to amd, apple could give up all their patents, google could give up all their patents. Should I go on with the list or you get the point?

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To be fair, NVidia could allow AMD main cards to run an NVidia Physx card in the same system and just refuse any support and leave it to the community
To be fair:
They could also give CUDA tech out, microsoft could release all their source codes to everyone, Intel could give all their tech to amd, apple could give up all their patents, google could give up all their patents. Should I go on with the list or you get the point?

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Yeah I'm sure they disable it with an AMD maincard just so people buy a better Nvidia card instead of a good AMD card and just a lower-end Nvidia one to take care of PhysX. But still, there's no solid argument against what Nvidia has done. PhysX is theirs.
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There is the work around that been updated to work with the latest drivers and the latest phsyx, I havent gotten around to it as I can't do it and Lucid Virtu MVP at the same time. So I rather be using lucid Virtu MVP's VVS and HF then doing the phsyx gpu work around. Which req you to put a nvidia card in your comp along with your main amd card to do.
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I am not sure if i understand this right but PhysX is not the only Tech that does that. This is simply Nvidia supplying their tech to the Game Dev which only works for their cards. I am pretty sure you can achieve same effect with AMD cards with something like Havok Physics. The hate is ON for Nvidia because of this. The funny thing is that I never played a game with PhysX in my life. I tried to play Mafia II with GTX580 and i did not like the game much. Played Metro 2033 and GTX580 could not do PhysX.
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I can't believe all the complaining in this thread about a company using it's own technology. It makes perfect sense to restrict PhysX to Nvidia-only setups.
Instead of complaining about another company's card doing more than yours, why don't you just buy that other card next time? Someone has something better, then switch companies. Do you have to buy an AMD card to take advantage of their price/performance ratio? Well then you have to buy a Nvidia card to take advantage of their offerings as well.
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Nice try, Nvidia marketing department.
Nvidia marketing department wouldn't say AMD has better price/performance ratio. Nice try, AMD marketing department, with the sign up just to post that. tongue.gif
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developers should embrace open standards and not something that only 1 company's customers can use
there is no need for this PhysX crapware
imagine my shock seeing a AMD card in your sig... lachen.gif
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Why couldn't they use Havok which (according to the game programmer Lordikon) is just as functional.
The problem is that PhysX locks everyone except Nvidia out of the loop, if PhysX was a feature AMDs cards couldn't do for technical reasons (like Direct3D) it would actually be quite acceptable and understandable. The only other tech company I know of that does this to software is Apple (OS X and iOS.)
I have seen this been brought up a lot of times this thread, care to provide a source?

I can't find one since Google changed their search results to go by date but it's common knowledge. AMD didn't want Physx and spoke about OpenCL instead (which they ahven't done anything with)
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To be fair:
They could also give CUDA tech out, microsoft could release all their source codes to everyone, Intel could give all their tech to amd, apple could give up all their patents, google could give up all their patents. Should I go on with the list or you get the point?
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I didn't say anything stupid. Stupid would be waht you said since it only creates bad press for Nvidia from 45% or so of the discrete GPU market.

No, to be quite honest they could allow people to run Physx on the NVidia GPU in the system. There's no reason not to. If someone has AMD they didn't buy NVidia, but they might buy one if they could use Physx, even a lower end one puts market share figures up and also a sale is a sale.

No-one's asking them to give the technology away and I think you should read my posts in this thread shooting down the people moaning and calling Physx useless.

The only reason NVidia do not allow is because they said supporting it would be a nightmare. Not " we want people to buy MOAR POWAHFOOL GPEEEWS!" or something like that.
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Yeah I'm sure they disable it with an AMD maincard just so people buy a better Nvidia card instead of a good AMD card and just a lower-end Nvidia one to take care of PhysX. But still, there's no solid argument against what Nvidia has done. PhysX is theirs.

They offered it to run natively on AMD cards for "pennys per GPU". To be honest the more people that can use Physx means the more developers that decide to implement it. More developers using Physx means more Nvidia GPU's in systems which means more money made by NVidia.

It's quite a no-brainer to allow it and not something stupid to say. Nor should it be a selfish "Physx is theirs" as it makes more sense to have it in as many system as possible.

Nvidia quite literally don't want to have to dealw ith thew quagmire of supporting CCC and Nvidia drivers. It's quite understandable. All I'm saying is that instead, they should just throw their hands up and let the community work out support and juist concentrate on supporting NV only systems themselves and let the geeks of the GPU world work it out... As it stands it works quite well anyway.
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http://www.extremetech.com/computing/82264-why-wont-ati-support-cuda-and-physx

There's at least one source showing NVidia offered AMD the tech for pennies per GPU. They even offered CUDA for free.
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. Nor should it be a selfish "Physx is theirs" as it makes more sense to have it in as many system as possible.
Nvidia quite literally don't want to have to dealw ith thew quagmire of supporting CCC and Nvidia drivers. It's quite understandable. All I'm saying is that instead, they should just throw their hands up and let the community work out support and juist concentrate on supporting NV only systems themselves and let the geeks of the GPU world work it out... As it stands it works quite well anyway.

Umm... Did Nvidia Purchase the rights and everything that goes along with PhysX? The Answer is YES.. They (Nvidia) Own it.

According to Your statement then it Would Not matter to You if I came to Your house and took Everything that You bought and Paid for and keep what I want and give the rest to the world so that Your stuff (which You No Longer Own.. even though You bought it) is in as many homes as Possible.


As for the second bolded section... Are You serious? Yeah they bought PhysX so they should just let it go ( even though obviously they must make money from it or why would it still exist) and give to the GEEKs of the GPU World ??


Here's an Idea How about ALL OF YOU geeks out there GET OFF YOUR **** and Help HavoK if this Whole PhysX thing bothers You So bad? After all You all know whats best and have such Awesome skills... it Should be a cake walk for You all huh?


Nvidia offered PhysX to AMD and in return AMD would have to pay royalties to Nvidia... AMD Declined. Why in the hell should Nvidia just give their stuff away for free? Seriously the "gaming Community Mentality" of Many here is absolutely Warped and delusional. In a Hippy peaceful world all would be free and open and Sparrows would bring You a a chocolate bar and while a butterfly whispered sweet nothings into your ears... Oh yeah wait a sec rolleyes.gif
Edited by XxBeNigNxX - 8/18/12 at 7:44am
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Umm... Did Nvidia Purchase the rights and everything that goes along with PhysX? The Answer is YES.. They (Nvidia) Own it.
According to Your statement then it Would Not matter to You if I came to Your house and took Everything that You bought and Paid for and keep what I want and give the rest to the world so that Your stuff (which You No Longer Own.. even though You bought it) is in as many homes as Possible.
As for the second bolded section... Are You serious? Yeah they bought PhysX so they should just let it go ( even though obviously they must make money from it or why would it still exist) and give to the GEEKs of the GPU World ??
Here's an Idea How about ALL OF YOU geeks out there GET OFF YOUR **** and Help HavoK if this Whole PhysX thing bothers You So bad? After all You all know whats best and have such Awesome skills... it Should be a cake walk for You all huh?

Lol, sorry but you don't need to capitalise every other word and secondly you need to read more carefully.

I didn't say they should give their technology away to anyone. I said they should let supporting AMD + Physx be down to the community (who already do this in hacked drivers anyway). As it stands they actively block Physx form working even if an Nvidia card is the second card, ready and waiting to be used as a Physx card. Instead, they could NOT do that and let support for that fall on the already strong community for that.

And your logic is flawed entirely. If Physx is more prevalent in people's systems, then developers would use it more and if developers use it more, Physx becomes more prevalent! The more developers use Physx the more Nvidia cards get sold. Simple as that.


You need to understand that the ONLY reason Nvidia don't support AMD card + Physx card is they don't want to support it. That means they don't want to have to answer questions and technical issues regarding that configuration. They'd rather spend tech support money on supporting Nvidia cards. Which is perfectly understandable. So, why not let the community do that?

As for doing something about it? Why? I have an Nvidia card and I want to see Physx in more games since I like it and what it has to offer. The ONLY way of getting that to happen is if more than 50% of the systems out there can run it... Which means letting AMD systems run Nvidia Physx cards.



EDIT:

Anyway, people who don't understand the issue aside or think this is giving away technology... LOL, you guys aside. It makes more sense to have Physx capable systems out there. All Nvidia have to do is stop blocking those configurations and refuse to support them officially. The community that already works on hacking these drivers has less work to do and in the end it means more people running Physx cards, less trolling every time a new Physx game comes out and hopefully, more Physx games.
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Lol, sorry but you don't need to capitalise every other word and secondly you need to read more carefully.
I didn't say they should give their technology away to anyone. I said they should let supporting AMD + Physx be down to the community (who already do this in hacked drivers anyway). As it stands they actively block Physx form working even if an Nvidia card is the second card, ready and waiting to be used as a Physx card. Instead, they could NOT do that and let support for that fall on the already strong community for that.
And your logic is flawed entirely. If Physx is more prevalent in people's systems, then developers would use it more and if developers use it more, Physx becomes more prevalent! The more developers use Physx the more Nvidia cards get sold. Simple as that.
You need to understand that the ONLY reason Nvidia don't support AMD card + Physx card is they don't want to support it. That means they don't want to have to answer questions and technical issues regarding that configuration. They'd rather spend tech support money on supporting Nvidia cards. Which is perfectly understandable.
AS for doing something about it? Why? I have an Nvidia card and I want to see Physx in more games since I like it and what it has to offer. The ONLY way of getting that to happen is if more than 50% of the systems out there can run it... Which means letting AMD systems run Nvidia Physx cards.

I have read carefully enough and the bottom line is this...

Nvidia is already letting the "Community" come up with their own support to use PhysX with none Nvidia cards.. It's the "Communities" job to get it to run if they want it laugher.gif

Nvidia own PhysX and they can and will do what they like with it.. Obviously it works for THEM otherwise don't you think things would be different??

And as for My capitalizing (Choice words) I did it for a reason and it worked... it got Your attention huh rolleyes.gif
Edited by XxBeNigNxX - 8/18/12 at 8:13am
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