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39 pounds translates into roughly 60$ more like 63$ but your country has a history of getting ripped of anyways, over here its 60$ and 60$ is the price of COD, Skyrim, Diablo 3, Borderlands 2 etc so to say that EA is the only one that charges 60$ just proves your an EA hater who twists facts to suit his argument.
http://www.devicemag.com/2011/02/03/steams-1-billion-sales-in-2010/
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/07/25/notch-on-why-minecraft-still-isnt-on-steam/
Both Articles were posted on OCN and in the second article Notch mentions he does not want to put minecraft on steam because of the 30% cut they take.

That STILL doens't change the fact that games do not release at £39.99, on average, and currently the only publishers to be extorting that much is Activision and EA.

Also, this just shows how much you actually read.

1. We do get ripped off here, but as I said, Skyrim is £34.99, which is around $53.

2. "Estimated"

Valve don't publish figures. IT was an estimated $1bn two years ago. Maybe it was less last year maybe it was more. Point is I don't care. Valve offer a valuable service and don't overprice THEIR products (Portal 2, £25 on release? Yes please).

3. Good find. 30% seems to be the susual thing. I believe EA take 30% also? They offered less on Kickstarter fuinded projects ot get them off the ground (Or maybe that was Valve, I can't remember).

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"Proves you are a EA hater who twists facts to suit his arguement"

Rubbish.

One thing $ != £

Second thing. COD is £39.99 (big surprise that Activision overprice their stuff). Skyrim isn't. Borderlands 2 is £29.99. Diablo 3, there's another Activision surprise (hint: it's not actually a surprise since they also grossly overprice their products.

I never said "EA are the only ones to overprice their products" at all.


You can stop talking at any moment if you want to implment damage control. I'm even open to apologies for that off-hand and completely false comment. I'll accept it since you're comparing your prices to ours.
Edited by Rubers - 8/17/12 at 10:11am
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I see this word competition... Video games come out at full retail price and drop over time, most of the distribution is within 5 bucks of each other.

So where is the competition?
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So you expect other companies to standby while steam makes a billion dollars a year and takes a 30% cut of their games because of what? Steam came first and they deserve it? The simple fact is anyone who wants to actually play these games will use the client regardless those who don't or are on the fence won't. Many people just care about the games themselves rather than supporting the company they think cares for them. Also im sure for a game to be steam activate steam would be taking a cut anyways making the whole point of creating their own store pointless I would have been happy if there were no clients at all to begin with, the only reason steam got onto my pc in the first place is when I bought Empire TW in 2009 and it required steam, steam has become bloated and slower than it used to be due to the new useless features they added. I simply still use it because of few reasons:
Summer and Winter deals are good
I have plenty of games invested when steam used to be speedy and not have a bunch of extra junk
Some games like total war games and THQ require steam to use

I don't expect them to stand by and let Steam take their 30%. However, I still won't support them if they make their games exclusive. I am a consumer, and I do what is convenient for me because it's my money. If they don't give us the option to buy their game on the Steam, then I can buy and play one of the other hundred games I haven't played until they release the game on Steam.
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The simple fact is anyone who wants to actually play these games will use the client regardless those who don't or are on the fence won't.

I would speak for yourself here, this is definitely not the case. I did not buy BF3 even though I REALLY wanted too. If it was on Steam I would of bought it a launch. I can say many of my friends also did not buy BF3, even though they played BF2. They want to stay with their Steam community.
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Steam makes a billion dollars a year? Really?.

I saw that too.. made me laugh a bit. I'd say that people could spend a billion dollars a year in steam, but no way does Valve take 100% of that or even 50% of it. I believe they take around 30%, and even that is not all profit.
Edited by Murlocke - 8/17/12 at 10:18am
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I see this word competition... Video games come out at full retail price and drop over time, most of the distribution is within 5 bucks of each other.

So where is the competition?

By giving consumers more choice and more freedom to get their product where ever they want. Competition is nothing more than a party takes part in a contest. The contest being striving to be the best. Ubisoft and EA know how much money is in PC gaming and the digital based platform has by seeing how much cut they get from steam. Steam roughly takes 30% of the cut. Also you have to note that ubisoft can and will offer games at competitive and even cheaper rate than what steam offers. Hell Hawx2 is current 1 dollar on ubisoft's website that's a steal compared to steam which is 20 bucks.
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That STILL doens't change the fact that games do not release at £39.99, on average, and currently the only publishers to be extorting that much is Activision and EA.
Also, this just shows how much you actually read.
1. We do get ripped off here, but as I said, Skyrim is £34.99, which is around $53.
2. "Estimated"
Valve don't publish figures. IT was an estimated $1bn two years ago. Maybe it was less last year maybe it was more. Point is I don't care. Valve offer a valuable service and don't overprice THEIR products (Portal 2, £25 on release? Yes please).
3. Good find. 30% seems to be the susual thing. I believe EA take 30% also? They offered less on Kickstarter fuinded projects ot get them off the ground (Or maybe that was Valve, I can't remember).
EDIT:
"Proves you are a EA hater who twists facts to suit his arguement"
Rubbish.
One thing $ != £
Second thing. COD is £39.99 (big surprise that Activision overprice their stuff). Skyrim isn't. Borderlands 2 is £29.99. Diablo 3, there's another Activision surprise (hint: it's not actually a surprise since they also grossly overprice their products.
I never said "EA are the only ones to overprice their products" at all.
You can stop talking at any moment if you want to implment damage control. I'm even open to apologies for that off-hand and completely false comment. I'll accept it since you're comparing your prices to ours.

Where did I ever say $ 1= £? Do you even know how much your own currency is worth? Why don't you go look it up right now since you seem to be clueless even on that.

Portal 2 here was 50$ when release. Skyrim is still 60$ on steam and Borderlands 2 is 60$ on steam right now so apparently in the UK steam prices are better and in North America Origin prices are better, doesn't mean origin is overpriced. Also its funny how your trying to defend blizzard as well by blaming Activision by saying its cause of them Diablo 3 is 60$ when Blizzard was charging 60$ for the original starcraft and diablo on release lol. The two companies on OCN that everyone loves to cover their ears and pretend is perfect Blizzard and Valve.

In regards to this

I never said "EA are the only ones to overprice their products" at all.
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£39.99 isn't the price of new games on release. Only EA games release for that. .
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Where did I ever say $ 1= £? Do you even know how much your own currency is worth? Why don't you go look it up right now since you seem to be clueless even on that.
Portal 2 here was 50$ when release. Skyrim is still 60$ on steam and Borderlands 2 is 60$ on steam right now so apparently in the UK steam prices are better and in North America Origin prices are better, doesn't mean origin is overpriced. Also its funny how your trying to defend blizzard as well by blaming Activision by saying its cause of them Diablo 3 is 60$ when Blizzard was charging 60$ for the original starcraft and diablo on release lol. The two companies on OCN that everyone loves to cover their ears and pretend is perfect Blizzard and Valve.
In regards to this
I never said "EA are the only ones to overprice their products" at all.

Ah you got me there. I didn't remember posting that. But, it's ok because a couple of posts later I mentioned Activision as well as one of the culprits. Yes, I know how to use xe.com thanks. I'm not "clueless" at all

POint is, regardless of publisher, £40/$60 is too much and overpriced. ESpecially when most games come with DLC these days. A couple of years ago release used to be £30 for the most expensive games.

Anyway, sorry but our conversation is over since you can't be polite and civil and keep saying offensive things.
Edited by Rubers - 8/17/12 at 10:31am
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I don't expect them to stand by and let Steam take their 30%. However, I still won't support them if they make their games exclusive. I am a consumer, and I do what is convenient for me because it's my money. If they don't give us the option to buy their game on the Steam, then I can buy and play one of the other hundred games I haven't played until they release the game on Steam.
I would speak for yourself here, this is definitely not the case. I did not buy BF3 even though I REALLY wanted too. If it was on Steam I would of bought it a launch. I can say many of my friends also did not buy BF3, even though they played BF2. They want to stay with their Steam community.
I saw that too.. made me laugh a bit. I'd say that people could spend a billion dollars a year in steam, but no way does Valve take 100% of that or even 50% of it. I believe they take around 30%, and even that is not all profit.

If your letting something as petty as what client the game is being run on you are not a fan plain and simple you are just one of those people on the fence, which I wager there aren't many. As long as


copies on origin > (copies on origin+those waiting for a steam release) * 70% Its more profitable for the game to be an origin exclusive.
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I just really don't want 10 clients with 3 friends on each of them.
IMO, 2 is competition and 3+ is fragmentation when it comes to gaming (hassle>fun). Not what PC gaming needs.
Edited by pengs - 8/17/12 at 10:34am
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Ah you got me there. I didn't remember posting that. But, it's ok because a couple of posts later I mentioned Activision as well as one of the culprits.
Anyway, sorry but our conversation is over since you can't be polite and civil and keep saying offensive things.

Just for the record you were the one claiming I was making stuff up pulling facts out of places you chose to misspell to avoid the swear filter.
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Just for the record you were the one claiming I was making stuff up pulling facts out of places you chose to misspell to avoid the swear filter.

Ok ok ok, I'm really done after this point, but you're either trolling are not but arse isn't blocked by the filters and it's a British word. I didn't misspell anything. And I wasn't wrong. You delcared the $1bn figure like it was a hard fact, but it was an estimated number from 2 years ago. And one source (Notch) saying the cut is 30% is decent, but not damning evidence. Though, I'm inclined to beleive it anyway because it sounds about right.

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