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Poll Results: Why are you not using GNU+Linux?

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 46% of voters (297)
    Because of games
  • 18% of voters (117)
    There are programs that I need that are not supported by the platform (excluding games)
  • 8% of voters (57)
    I don't know how to use GNU+Linux or have never been exposed to it
  • 10% of voters (70)
    I like the "it just works" idea with Windows or MAC operating systems
  • 14% of voters (91)
    Windows or MAC (or another less known OS) fills my needs suitably
  • 1% of voters (10)
    RMS is a nutcase for making everyone write GNU+Linux and should be locked up
639 Total Votes  
post #131 of 265
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This is my biggest gripe with Linux of any flavor. Someone has to TELL you how to do things. Even the most basic of tasks can be an exercise in patience and google-fu. That is, unless you've used it for years for lots of things and gotten used to it, and then when those who don't know try to ask your answer is required to be "lolol idiot go back to windoze". In my own thoughts when trying to wrangle Linux into doing whatever task it is I need done, I can't help but think that it was designed by people who have nothing better to do for people that have nothing better to do.
haha, half of them try to get you to use Linux, the other half tell you to go back whenever you have a problem. The official ubuntu forums are pretty good for help, but anywhere else, typical answer is 'this isn't windows'... well duh! if this was windows, it would already work lol. I do like the Linux zealots tho..
pc guy: I am fine and dandy with my Windows system smile.gif
linux zealot: that's great, but you should switch to Linux
pc guy: why?
linux zealot: because it does this, this, and this better
pc guy: ok, but I don't actually do any of that stuff.
linux zealot: Well, you should use it anyways. it's free, microsoft is evil, windows users are sheeple, etc etc
pc guy: alright I will try it. ok it's installed, and I have done the basics and installed all the updates and drivers, etc. my sound, mouse, controller, and video cad do not work properly
linux zealot: "open a terminal and post the output of...:" and then take these 27 steps of copy-pasting this junk into a terminal....
pc guy: it still doesn't work!!! why should someone have to input "sudo setpci -s 00:02.0 F4.B=00" blindly into a laptop EVERYTIME because the backlight doesn't come on?? I am going back to Windoze
linux zealot: I stretched that out to 7 hours!!! that's 42 GNUpoints for me!
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what are gnu points, and how do i get them....?

lololol

btw, that was dumb
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I guess no one told you that a packagemanager would have done just about all of your complicated work for you if you learned how to use it. What 3rd party stuff were you looking for though?
PS: Your chrome complaint is a perfect example of how a windows indoctrination/lifetime will make any attempt at Gnu/Linux impossible if you don't change you thinking about how to do things...chrome doesn't need to update from within chrome...you run updates through your package manager and chrome, if you installed it from Google's .deb package, will add a repo to the package manager that updates chrome through the package manager whenever you run updates.

When new nvidia drivers were released, I wasn't presented with the option to update in the update manager - No updates
When a new version of chrome was released, I wasn't presented with the option to update in the update manager - No updates

Are you saying I should of been checking for updates in the package manager? If so that is quite confusing, considering you have another program labeled update manager lol. Nothing short of confusion if so.
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The whole problem is people are so used to running around for new versions/updates/and programs going website to website in windows that when they get to Gnu/Linux they don't realize they no longer have to do that anymore. The irony is that in being "easier" (it's actually more convenient) it's too "difficult". Another thing...what the heck is that guide talking about? Chrome's repos are added with the .deb install (for buntus/debian) and is upgraded through the package manager...seriously...that guide looks like it was made for either the "nightlies" (unstable), outdated, or to spread manure.
Final PS: If you are willing to forget your bad experience and try again you should hit this forum's Linux section as we (maybe not me personally) could have saved you so much frustration it would amaze you how different your experience would be.

I don't run around at all. I go to the manufacturer site and click download, hell for nvidia drivers i just right click the tray icon and click check for updates lol. If anything I was running around on ubuntu googling guides on how to upgrade my gpu drivers, downloading apps to hide a taskbar, installing 32 bit libs to run a 32bit application in a 64 bit environment. Just a hassle in my experience when compared to windows.

I just want everything to work out of the box, and linux doesnt do that for me. I don't want to spend my day googling guides on how to fix my audio poping and crackling from pulse audio eq, or why my gpu is idling 10c hotter, etc. Not worth the effort considering linux doesnt offer me anything that I can't do on Windows, matter of fact linux offers me less in quite a few areas. So I'm getting less for more headache and a free price tag? No thanks.
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Its just a hassle, NOTHING at all intuitive about it, everything has daft names
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Its just a hassle, NOTHING at all intuitive about it, everything has daft names
I'd rather use an OS named Beefy Miracle than one named Vista. biggrin.gif
post #136 of 265
Another strike against Linux, only Meego works with the new Atom dual-cores, since they have GMA 3650 (PowerVR graphics). Ok, it's Intel's responsibility to make Linux drivers perhaps, but still, a handful of people still choose low-res Intel netbooks over higher-res AMD netbooks with better graphics.
 
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When new nvidia drivers were released, I wasn't presented with the option to update in the update manager - No updates
When a new version of chrome was released, I wasn't presented with the option to update in the update manager - No updates
Are you saying I should of been checking for updates in the package manager? If so that is quite confusing, considering you have another program labeled update manager lol. Nothing short of confusion if so.
I don't run around at all. I go to the manufacturer site and click download, hell for nvidia drivers i just right click the tray icon and click check for updates lol. If anything I was running around on ubuntu googling guides on how to upgrade my gpu drivers, downloading apps to hide a taskbar, installing 32 bit libs to run a 32bit application in a 64 bit environment. Just a hassle in my experience when compared to windows.
I just want everything to work out of the box, and linux doesnt do that for me. I don't want to spend my day googling guides on how to fix my audio poping and crackling from pulse audio eq, or why my gpu is idling 10c hotter, etc. Not worth the effort considering linux doesnt offer me anything that I can't do on Windows, matter of fact linux offers me less in quite a few areas. So I'm getting less for more headache and a free price tag? No thanks.

Please do not take anything as condescending or attacking below(I have a knack for poor wording I've been told). If you're happy with windows that's fine...this is just an attempt to explain your problems and give a general idea of why you might not have enjoyed the different experience you had Gnu/Linux compared to windows.

If you want bleeding edge then you don't go with Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the middle ground between the ultra old and stable of Debian and the ultra new and at times unstable of Arch and Gentoo. You want the newest and the most control and most freedom...then you hunker down and go Arch or Gentoo. But it's on you...the OS isn't to blame.

On the nvidia drivers (what did you need the absolute newest ones for though? was your card brand new? In that case then you will have problems as hardware is always slow to be supported because of the manufacturers.)
Run Jockey; install restricted drivers; ????; profit?

OR if you needed absolute bleeding edge for buntu: Add x-swat repo...update....profit?
But you're right about getting the latest nvidia updates being installed in windows. The only source for you frustration though is nvidia...not Gnu/Linux. Nvidia controls that.

Other hardware...it's either in the kernel(therefore nothing to install) or you're 90% out of luck getting it working.

As for hiding the taskbar...you don't have to use Unity...there's a plethora of other options (KDE, LXDE, XFCE, E17).

But basically, you weren't happy with someone making things easier on you by packaging in all updates because you weren't getting the newest thing...OK...but then you went outside of the repos probably and then wondered why you started having problems? Linux gives you freedom of choice and then you complain when you couldn't make it work? OK. I've been there. I know you went outside of the repos and package manager because you keep complaining about 32bit libs. They are either grabbed or not needed if you acquired the package through your package manager. And most programs are 64bit and 32bit. What were you trying to install though?

For the pulse issue....did you have a special sound card? Ever open up your alsamixer or DE mixer? Honestly...never had real problems on over 20 computers (3 of which I own the rest being ones I boot a live session into).

Really....it's just a different mindset. Instead of thinking...I need to go to "website" to get "software" it's run package manager and install/update what I want. To state it cold...the repo and package manager system is basically what android and iOS copied from the Gnu/Linux world.

But again...I'm not even close to be an "advanced user". I'm just a business major and I get things working whether it's my Nvidia GPU (don't really run xswat/newest anymore though), my audio (though skype loves to screw with pulse but that's MS's coding I bet), or my web browser (Chromium and Chrome). The big thing is that I haven't used the GUI package or this so called update manager (did Ubuntu get that recently or something?) as I just open up a terminal type "sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" > read the list packages just incase there's something that might break (slim chance with default/untouched repos) > press Y and let it download and update everything (all programs) and finished. The GUIs still have some rough edges to them but hell...they've made a lot of progress in the 2 years I've been using Gnu/Linux.

Anyway...since you did complain about some programs...I'd like to know what ones in particular as I just find it a bit odd.

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Another strike against Linux, only Meego works with the new Atom dual-cores, since they have GMA 3650 (PowerVR graphics). Ok, it's Intel's responsibility to make Linux drivers perhaps, but still, a handful of people still choose low-res Intel netbooks over higher-res AMD netbooks with better graphics.

^More misdirected anger and blame? Intel is indeed the problem. They could have killed pads with netbooks if they had the balls to actually try using Gnu/Linux for consumers. But they didn't. And it's sad that they chose PowerVR because PowerVR is a notorious "no support for you" company. That said...consumers are free to choose and inform/empower themselves...but maybe Intel knew that consumers rather not.
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^More misdirected anger and blame? Intel is indeed the problem. They could have killed pads with netbooks if they had the balls to actually try using Gnu/Linux for consumers. But they didn't. And it's sad that they chose PowerVR because PowerVR is a notorious "no support for you" company. That said...consumers are free to choose and inform/empower themselves...but maybe Intel knew that consumers rather not.

I have nothing against Linux (pretty sure I mentioned using it on a netbook in a previous post), but it's just reality. You can blame whoever, but the reality is, the new Intel netbooks don't work with Linux well. Not the fault of any Linux devs, but it's reality. Nothing the Linux guys can do about it, but it limits people who'd otherwise experiment with Linux, but can't due to unsupported hardware.

I think Intel went with PowerVR knowing full well they're incapable of making graphics within the TDP that can do 1080p playback. GMA 950 and 3150 on the older Atoms were old C2D carryovers, Intel HD graphics are just too power-hungry (probably 5W TDP for HD 2000 on 32nm).
 
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I have nothing against Linux (pretty sure I mentioned using it on a netbook in a previous post), but it's just reality. You can blame whoever, but the reality is, the new Intel netbooks don't work with Linux well. Not the fault of any Linux devs, but it's reality. Nothing the Linux guys can do about it, but it limits people who'd otherwise experiment with Linux, but can't due to unsupported hardware.
I think Intel went with PowerVR knowing full well they're incapable of making graphics within the TDP that can do 1080p playback. GMA 950 and 3150 on the older Atoms were old C2D carryovers, Intel HD graphics are just too power-hungry (probably 5W TDP for HD 2000 on 32nm).

...Did some digging and we may be in luck... Kernel 3.5 might just work things out...I'm still checking but maybe Intel told PowerVR to stop being idiots?
     
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Someone buy me a 120GB SSD so I can have Linux on my system as a dual boot...

 
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