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Poll Results: Why are you not using GNU+Linux?

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 46% (296)
    Because of games
  • 18% (117)
    There are programs that I need that are not supported by the platform (excluding games)
  • 8% (57)
    I don't know how to use GNU+Linux or have never been exposed to it
  • 10% (70)
    I like the "it just works" idea with Windows or MAC operating systems
  • 13% (89)
    Windows or MAC (or another less known OS) fills my needs suitably
  • 1% (10)
    RMS is a nutcase for making everyone write GNU+Linux and should be locked up
637 Total Votes  
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Originally Posted by ugotd8 View Post

I'm way too old to understand or care about the distinction you are trying to make that linux is not unix. Comes off more like an affectation than a distinction TBH.
Been using unix forever, and I work on linux and solaris everyday at work.
Let's put it this way, when I saw your screename, I immediately thought "cool, an old school unix guy". thumb.gif
The distinction is pretty clear: Linux doesn't contain any UNIX code what-so-ever. It would be like saying Windows 95 and NT4 were both NT operating systems because they roughly share the same paradigm.

Glad you spotted the nerdy reference in my user name though. Most don't smile.gif

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Haha, so by that reasoning, BSD and later SunOS were not 'ground-up' and therefore not as cool as linux ?
Your semantics are astounding.

It depends on which BSD's you're referring to. Technically FreeBSD isn't UNIX either; it's Unix-like, just like Linux. The original BSD's were Unix though. SunOS / Solaris is UNIX though.

I'm sure you're already aware of this, but it's also worth noting that the original few releases of SunOS (versions 1->4) were BSD derivatives. It was only with the advent Unix SVR4 that SunOS took on a more SysV base. But back then code was being passed around like prostitutes in a hotel room. GNU/Linux, however, was a completely original rewrite from the ground up.

I'm really not sure where you got this idea that anyone considered Linux "cooler" than UNIX (or even cool pre se). Solaris and FreeBSD are epic. I'm very much a BSD person by preference, but like yourself, I use Solaris and Linux (SLES) daily for work.
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Originally Posted by ugotd8 View Post

I'm way too old to understand or care about the distinction you are trying to make that linux is not unix. Comes off more like an affectation than a distinction TBH.
Been using unix forever, and I work on linux and solaris everyday at work.
Let's put it this way, when I saw your screename, I immediately thought "cool, an old school unix guy". thumb.gif
The distinction is pretty clear: Linux doesn't contain any UNIX code what-so-ever. It would be like saying Windows 95 and NT4 were both NT operating systems because they roughly share the same paradigm.

Glad you spotted the nerdy reference in my user name though. Most don't smile.gif

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Originally Posted by ugotd8 View Post

Haha, so by that reasoning, BSD and later SunOS were not 'ground-up' and therefore not as cool as linux ?
Your semantics are astounding.

It depends on which BSD's you're referring to. Technically FreeBSD isn't UNIX either; it's Unix-like, just like Linux. The original BSD's were Unix though. SunOS / Solaris is UNIX though.

I'm sure you're already aware of this, but it's also worth noting that the original few releases of SunOS (versions 1->4) were BSD derivatives. It was only with the advent Unix SVR4 that SunOS took on a more SysV base. But back then code was being passed around like prostitutes in a hotel room. GNU/Linux, however, was a completely original rewrite from the ground up.

I'm really not sure where you got this idea that anyone considered Linux "cooler" than UNIX (or even cool pre se). Solaris and FreeBSD are epic. I'm very much a BSD person by preference, but like yourself, I use Solaris and Linux (SLES) daily for work.

FreeBSD is still posnix complient. yes?
    
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FreeBSD is still posnix complient. yes?

POSIX smile.gif


I don't think FreeBSD is to be honest. Obviously it's partially compliant, but AFAIK it's not fully POSIX.
post #264 of 265
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If we want to game on a PC, and we do, then we have to put up with windows and the things software companies do to us. At least for now and the near future. That being said it doesn't make the things they do right. So yes, we complain. It's like saying we shouldn't complain about the price of electricity or gas. Sure we could live by candlelight and ride bicycles everywhere, but that wouldn't be any fun. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
There are choices we make. There are games and sometimes certain companies I shy away from because of their practices. Look at Ubisoft recently, complaining that 95% of their games are pirated when really they are just losing business because no one wants to deal with their heavy thumb. Other games I decline to buy because even two or three years after release they still want $60 for it. Really? Bite me! I am not paying new game price for an old game even if it is really good.
And to the point of this thread, we want Linux as an alternative choice for gaming. And I would be willing to lose certain things in order to dump windows. I can't wait until the day comes when I can simply hit the delete button on my windows partition. But that time has not yet come.

And that time will not come unless MS does something very drastic to piss off game developers or people move away from Windows on their own. The reason there are none of those major studio games on Linux is because....no one moves over to Linux and holds out buying games until the games have Linux ports. That's the whole point I'm getting at; Valve announced that they were going to make a Linux move over 2 years ago and said that year that they were going to have a release. Been 2 years and they keep pushing the date back. I can understand that the project isn't at the top of their list of things to do because there is less incentive to finish it. But if everyone just went on over to Linux and didn't buy any new games until they were Linux compatible; I think it would take a year tops for studios to get at least beta level ports (which is better than nothing). So the whole point is if you buy a game on windows then it doesn't matter how much you complain as you have told the devs that you like having games on windows and that all of their actions/decisions are justified. Change will not come until either Valve becomes very successful or a larger portion of gamers move to Linux. As great as it that Valve is trying, I already owned the games I wanted from them by the time they made the announcement ( frown.gif ) so how can they become very successful in terms that will matter to others if the majority of their users will not purchase anything on the change over and as everyone loves to point out there are so few users of Linux anyway? I don't think a supply driven market approach will solve the situation any time soon or in any significant (more than just Valve showing up to the party) manner.
     
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I think the biggest issue with games being ported to Linux is they fear losing control over DRM. The same reason Netflix doesn't work in Linux. It isn't because they can't do it, or it is so much harder to make the game work in linux. The hard part is maintaining control of DRM. With windows is a well practiced art, linux not so much. I think this has been the big slowdown with Steam in my opinion.

I remember some years ago I bought a Linux book that had the book in PDF form on a CD. Worked fine in windows, but the PDF would not open in Linux. It required a password but there was none. Basically a book about Linux was blocked from being used in Linux because they didn't want it copied. LOL!!!!!
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