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From what I can gather of what has happened, nvidia may have initially ignored TT (when they were young) because they did not want to/could not give every Tom, Dick and Harry tech site a review card. In turn, TT got frustrated over time and irate at nvidia, thus sourcing out cards from anonymous vendors & posting reviews early.

Sure, they may have not signed a NDA contract with nvidia and thus not bound by the NDA dates (don't know if that is true), but if they wanted to foster a better relationship with nvidia, surely they should have abided by NDA dates anyway in order to not get on Nvidia's **** list.

Granted, TT may not have had all the product info before hand (marketing material, documents etc), but if they could somehow get cards early, its hard to believe they could not find out any NDA info either.

All in all, bad behavior from both sides.
-Nvidia for ignoring/dismissing TT, & possibly "threatening" partner AIB's as a control tool.
-TT for obviously breaking NDA's in order to "stick it" to the man out of frustration (and I'm also sure for more website traffic).
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Few things here.


TT was one of the first big review sites for hardware. So anyone claiming that they are small fries or that Nvidia was just avoiding giving every small startup a review copy is off base.

In order to abide by the NDA you have to actually sign it. TT isn't breaking any laws or doing anything that is legally wrong by posting reviews prior to NDA. They'd actually have to sign one to abide by it. Same with Manufacturer NDAs... Again TT would have to sign that to be bound to it. The manufacturers on the other hand would be in pretty hot water if they violated the NDA themselves. That being said its not very nice of them to release the review before the NDA, but then again they'd actually have to have signed one to do that.


THIRDLY, What is to stop you or I or anyone else from going out and buying this card retail (which by the way it[660ti] was available for retail before the NDA lifted) and publishing our own reviews? Nothing. The difference here is that TT is a big review website and Nvidia is obviously getting a little upset that they cant control the review releases so they are threatening their partners. In my opinion that is stupid but it also means something is going on here we dont know about.

Why would Nvidia stop sending review samples to one of the biggest review sites on the internet?

Thats the question I want to know. I don't buy this "out of the blue" story. TT is too big of a fish for nvidia to just cut off all communication.
 
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Nobody has an obligation to obey an NDA they havn't signed so I don't see how anyone could fault them for that. A journalist who hasn't signed some agreement to delay publication would be remiss to not publish as early as possible.

edit: I think people are losing focus on what these review sites are serving. They arn't there to advertise for the makers. They're there to provide information to their viewing audience. We are best served by earlier reviews, so to delay reviews is in my view the less ethical move. Signing NDA's to get early access is perfectly legit, but without that agreement a review site can and should release their information as early as possible to better serve their audience. There is nothing dishonest, unethical, or immoral about giving out information about a product before the manufacturer wants you to if you havn't signed an NDA.

They don't seem very professional though, there's a lot of whining and sniping in those articles. That could be why nvidia doesn't cooperate with them. Or who knows, they could be right. nvidia could be a vindictive thug of a business.
Edited by SpankyMcFlych - 8/19/12 at 8:19pm
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I agree. I'd almost put more stock in a review where they didn't sign an NDA and get a free review sample. Who knows what strings are attached to that sample anyway. One thing's for sure, if TT gives an Nvidia card a good review you can bet its a dang good card! biggrin.gif
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Not to say anything of TT's actions, but this response - and the others like it - completely ignore that TT's actions were in response to treatment they deemed unfair, rightfully or not. What you quoted states this explicitly, so why act like that aspect of the situation doesn't exist? I don't understand.

It's not really about ignoring that. I'm just choosing not to address it because it doesn't really make a difference when it comes to the point I was trying to make.

What I was getting at is that it doesn't really matter what happened between NV and TT but it is more than obvious why NV doesn't give them review samples anymore. It's not about the original events that caused TT to react in the way they did, it's about what they're doing right now, and that's releasing early reviews. And yes it's perfectly fine as they haven't signed an NDA but since they are releasing them early they can't seriously expect NV to play ball with them.

And as for the reason I wont address the original issue between NV and TT, the whole story we have here is pretty much the very definition of a single sided story from an undeniably biased (biased doesn't mean that they're wrong, bad etc. it just means they're biased) source, and I refuse to address claims made by sources like that.
Are you not doing an injustice by not giving the entire story yourself, though? What happened before still matters. Sure it is all heresay (sp?) but it is not like Nvidia hasn't proven they are capable of being evil in the past. Like Apple, they don't have to address it as long as there are fanboys who won't care. Treating this issue like "well they don't deserve samples now!" has the same inherent logical flaw as pirates stating that they are stealing because of DRM, when they are the reason DRM exists.
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Or, they can just keep making cards like the 670/680/690 that are great products and continue making billions of dollars yearly. I just don't see how NV would feel the least bit threatened or pressured by TT...to do anything in regards to anything. NV will keep shipping gpu's and filling millions upon millions of mobile devices with Tgera 3 chips and TT will continue to...be mad, I guess.
Just thought I'd throw that out there.
I don't know, that's how I see it.
I think you read that wrong. I was talking about TweakTown dying off, which they would if they stopped making reviews.
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People continue to harp on the fact that TT never signed and NDA so they do not need to follow it. That's not the point at all. The fact is that by not following the NDA you never signed you still piss off Nvidia. In which case they will no longer play ball. Even if Nvidia was done with TT beforehand, it's a pretty obvious move for them to reach the vendor who they believe leaked the card to TT.
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Are you not doing an injustice by not giving the entire story yourself, though? What happened before still matters. Sure it is all heresay (sp?) but it is not like Nvidia hasn't proven they are capable of being evil in the past. Like Apple, they don't have to address it as long as there are fanboys who won't care. Treating this issue like "well they don't deserve samples now!" has the same inherent logical flaw as pirates stating that they are stealing because of DRM, when they are the reason DRM exists.

Yeah sure but I really fail to see how you can even be fair in this situation if you choose to comment on it. We just don't have the info.
 
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The point is that they have no idea which partner gave TT the card so attacking MSI is unfair and unwarranted. TT will continue to get cards regardless of how much bullying Nvidia does...
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You see it as bullying I see it as attempting to close the holes. I'd also take the "attacking MSI" thing with a grain of salt considering we only have one side of the story.
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