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Apple levels of hate over a review suite that doesn't even have anything to do with this. And anyways, plenty other sites are guilty. TH tests at 1650x1050, Anandtech tests Portal 2... I could go on but I'm on my phone and I don't want to lose this post.

Anyways, what really surprised me was the bit about the fan design. I thought nvidia lost money on the stock fans? confused.gif
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This is 110% irrelevant to the point I was responding to.
Are you admitting you were wrong?

It is perfectly relevant. Your post assumed a level of childishness from Nvidia and you avoided my questions altogether. You are seriously naive if you read the linked article and accept it all at face value as truth.

We don't know that their relationship with Nvidia was perfectly fine. We don't know what was said to MSI. We have only ONE source, the very one writing the article, stating why MSI responded as they did. Only one side of this clearly convoluted story is being told; the lack of a response from MSI and Nvidia in no way validates it as truth, either. What we have, as Tslm pointed out, is a lot of hearsay.

This belongs in Rumors, not Hardware.

Still nothing relevant to my original point.

You said that TweakTown did nothing to deserve review samples (though they obviously did if they were getting them for years). Nvidia cut them off out of nowhere and then refused to respond to any of their emails. They got an early sample of a GTX 480 and Nvidia wouldn't even respond to their email asking what the NDA expiration date was. If that's not childish and unprofessional I don't know what is.

Is TweakTown's behavior justified based on that alone? Probably not. Reading the rest of the article, absolutely; give em hell TT.

And if TT lied about what MSI said, common sense says MSI would come out and say such... but they haven't. If I run a fairly large review site and I say I was told by EVGA that they are planning to switch to AMD, but that's entirely made up... don't you think EVGA would make a statement regarding that?

TT has the benefit of the doubt anyway. As jtom said they've been reviewing for years and years and this isn't the first time Nvidia has been accused of strongarming people.

And if you think TT is biased... lol. Have you read their Kepler reviews?
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Still nothing relevant to my original point.
You said that TweakTown did nothing to deserve review samples (though they obviously did if they were getting them for years). Nvidia cut them off out of nowhere and then refused to respond to any of their emails. They got an early sample of a GTX 480 and Nvidia wouldn't even respond to their email asking what the NDA expiration date was. If that's not childish and unprofessional I don't know what is.
Is TweakTown's behavior justified based on that alone? Probably not. Reading the rest of the article, absolutely; give em hell TT.
And if TT lied about what MSI said, common sense says MSI would come out and say such... but they haven't. If I run a fairly large review site and I say I was told by EVGA that they are planning to switch to AMD, but that's entirely made up... don't you think EVGA would make a statement regarding that?
TT has the benefit of the doubt anyway. As jtom said they've been reviewing for years and years and this isn't the first time Nvidia has been accused of strongarming people.
And if you think TT is biased... lol. Have you read their Kepler reviews?

Yeah this. Put it better then I could.
    
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Still nothing relevant to my original point.
You said that TweakTown did nothing to deserve review samples (though they obviously did if they were getting them for years). Nvidia cut them off out of nowhere and then refused to respond to any of their emails. They got an early sample of a GTX 480 and Nvidia wouldn't even respond to their email asking what the NDA expiration date was. If that's not childish and unprofessional I don't know what is.
Is TweakTown's behavior justified based on that alone? Probably not. Reading the rest of the article, absolutely; give em hell TT.
And if TT lied about what MSI said, common sense says MSI would come out and say such... but they haven't. If I run a fairly large review site and I say I was told by EVGA that they are planning to switch to AMD, but that's entirely made up... don't you think EVGA would make a statement regarding that?
TT has the benefit of the doubt anyway. As jtom said they've been reviewing for years and years and this isn't the first time Nvidia has been accused of strongarming people.
And if you think TT is biased... lol. Have you read their Kepler reviews?


Unbelievable. Alright, I'll break this down for you in bite sized pieces.
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If I'm a hardware company, what has TweakTown done that would convince me to give it review samples?

If you're a media outlet, what would you do to convince a hardware company to give you review samples?

Ignore Nvidia for a moment. Substitute the name for anyone. EA. Microsoft. AMD. Intel. MSI. Whatever name you want. Is TweakTown's behavior throughout this whole mess justified, and does it warrant any company giving it the time of day?

This is me, posing relevant questions concerning the involved parties. These are not rhetorical questions; they're the kinds that you, a participant in this discussion, can answer to maybe shed light on the why's of the behavior of those involved.


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What has TweakTown done that would convince you to act like a child and not even give them an answer?

This was you, responding to my above post, answering my questions with a question that a) assumes childish behavior on Nvidia's part, b) missed the point of consequences of one's behavior entirely, and b) hit another point perfectly: we don't know why there was a falling out between Nvidia and TT. What we do know is that, on [one of their] last review sample[s?], they posted an early review. TT then stated they would continue to post early reviews because Nvidia wouldn't communicate with them or send them review samples.

Still with me so far?


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Certainly justification for poor behavior, yes? You act up so it's okay if I act up? rolleyes.gif

This is me commenting that, in your assumed childish behavior of Nvidia, it [sarcastically] justifies the blatantly unprofessional behavior of TT.


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This is 110% irrelevant to the point I was responding to.

Are you admitting you were wrong?

This is where reading comprehension really fails. You did not stay on point. You did not reply to the hypothetical questions in a conversationally-meaningful manner. You did not assist in the discussion of the why's of behavior when referencing a post (mine) that did not put blame on anyone at all. If you want to argue relevance, then argue it intelligently. This post of yours that I'm quoting now is not arguing it intelligently.

Which brings us to:


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It is perfectly relevant. Your post assumed a level of childishness from Nvidia and you avoided my questions altogether. You are seriously naive if you read the linked article and accept it all at face value as truth.

We don't know that their relationship with Nvidia was perfectly fine. We don't know what was said to MSI. We have only ONE source, the very one writing the article, stating why MSI responded as they did. Only one side of this clearly convoluted story is being told; the lack of a response from MSI and Nvidia in no way validates it as truth, either. What we have, as Tslm pointed out, is a lot of hearsay.
This belongs in Rumors, not Hardware.

Me again, stating that I recognize your post having assumed childish behavior on Nvidia's part and calling out your avoiding the questions posed altogether.



I've done my damnedest to keep this from getting personal but at this point it's impossible. You have completely, utterly refused to acknowledge other potential points of view. You have focused on only one perspective (that Nvidia is in the wrong) to the exclusion of any other. Sticking to your guns is admirable, but not on a tech forum.

I'll say it again. We don't know what caused Nvidia to go dark on TT. We do know what TT did after the fact. We don't know what MSI heard from Nvidia. We do know that they evidently chose to cut ties with TT. We don't know if TT is truthful about Nvidia prohibiting a 'better cooler' (although given the success and popularity of several coolers from Nvidia partners, I find that hard to believe). In reference to an article that simply describes TweakTown not liking Nvidia, there is a lot more we don't know than we do know, and I would love to see you, Usario, or anyone else argue that what we do know is enough to create informed opinions concerning the behavior of Nvidia, MSI, and TweakTown.

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Wait TweakTown is a review site? The more you know!

Anyways;

A: There are a lot of people in here that need to just calm the hell down. Speaking with personal experience, making personal hate comments towards staff does not go well. (You know who you are.)

B: If Nvidia wants to send an ultimatum to MSI then that's there business, as far as I knew MSI made way better AMD cards anyway.

C: The only people not acting like children in this whole thing I see are MSI, they're just like "meh," meanwhile Nvidia is trying to keep their content away from a group who has no regards for NDAs (Im sorry but IDGAD you're doing something illegal to get cards before the NDA is up, because they don't exactly hit stores before NDAs are lifted, at least not in my country.) and honestly can't do their job very well in the first place (200FPS in Mafia 2, who gives a... Can't say that...)

D: I wouldn't send cards to them either if this is how they behave. Who takes things to a public forum (not actual forum, metaphorical forum) and throws a temper tantrum while still maintaining "professionalism." No one...

E: I'm not really sure how EVGA got involved in this at all.

F: Can we please TRY at least to avoid rampaging fanboyism and keep the content actually meaningful? Stating opinion as opinion is fine, but stating opinion as fact, prove it.

Just my 6 cents, as you were gents.

 

thumbsupsmiley.png I agree.

 

 

 

"Clearly we have an underlying issue with NVIDIA, though, who continue to throw their weight around whenever they can. For some silly reason, though, we continue to reach out to NVIDIA and try to make peace."

 

I like how TT makes it seem like they want to make peace for no reason.. The  "silly "reason is that Nvidia is one of the two largest video card manufacturers in the world! TT would be a much more successful company if they had Nvidia's support.

 

From a consumer standpoint, I don't like it BUT it makes sense for Nvidia to disallow that cooler if it even exists. It's not hard to figure out why.


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I don't get why people are saying "If TT wanted samples they shouldn't break NDA" When Nvidia stopped giving them samples, they had two choices:
1) Stop making reviews for GeForce cards (or make late reviews that no one is interested in) and die as a site.
or
2) Reap the benefits of no longer being tied to a NDA.
Isn't the choice obvious?
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Honestly I'm not sure whether the people in this thread didn't read the article or they just completely fail at understanding context.
Or are just delusional fanboys and it doesn't matter what I say.
All of the above.
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Originally Posted by SniperTeamTango View Post

Wait TweakTown is a review site? The more you know!


Anyways;


A: There are a lot of people in here that need to just calm the hell down. Speaking with personal experience, making personal hate comments towards staff does not go well. (You know who you are.)


B: If Nvidia wants to send an ultimatum to MSI then that's there business, as far as I knew MSI made way better AMD cards anyway.


C: The only people not acting like children in this whole thing I see are MSI, they're just like "meh," meanwhile Nvidia is trying to keep their content away from a group who has no regards for NDAs (Im sorry but IDGAD you're doing something illegal to get cards before the NDA is up, because they don't exactly hit stores before NDAs are lifted, at least not in my country.) and honestly can't do their job very well in the first place (200FPS in Mafia 2, who gives a... Can't say that...)


D: I wouldn't send cards to them either if this is how they behave. Who takes things to a public forum (not actual forum, metaphorical forum) and throws a temper tantrum while still maintaining "professionalism." No one...


E: I'm not really sure how EVGA got involved in this at all.


F: Can we please TRY at least to avoid rampaging fanboyism and keep the content actually meaningful? Stating opinion as opinion is fine, but stating opinion as fact, prove it.


Just my 6 cents, as you were gents.

thumbsupsmiley.png I agree.



"Clearly we have an underlying issue with NVIDIA, though, who continue to throw their weight around whenever they can. For some silly reason, though, we continue to reach out to NVIDIA and try to make peace."

I like how TT makes it seem like they want to make peace for no reason.. The  "silly "reason is that Nvidia is one of the two largest video card manufacturers in the world! TT would be a much more successful company if they had Nvidia's support.

From a consumer standpoint, I don't like it BUT it makes sense for Nvidia to disallow that cooler if it even exists. It's not hard to figure out why.
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Originally Posted by SniperTeamTango View Post

Wait TweakTown is a review site? The more you know!


Anyways;


A: There are a lot of people in here that need to just calm the hell down. Speaking with personal experience, making personal hate comments towards staff does not go well. (You know who you are.)


B: If Nvidia wants to send an ultimatum to MSI then that's there business, as far as I knew MSI made way better AMD cards anyway.


C: The only people not acting like children in this whole thing I see are MSI, they're just like "meh," meanwhile Nvidia is trying to keep their content away from a group who has no regards for NDAs (Im sorry but IDGAD you're doing something illegal to get cards before the NDA is up, because they don't exactly hit stores before NDAs are lifted, at least not in my country.) and honestly can't do their job very well in the first place (200FPS in Mafia 2, who gives a... Can't say that...)


D: I wouldn't send cards to them either if this is how they behave. Who takes things to a public forum (not actual forum, metaphorical forum) and throws a temper tantrum while still maintaining "professionalism." No one...


E: I'm not really sure how EVGA got involved in this at all.


F: Can we please TRY at least to avoid rampaging fanboyism and keep the content actually meaningful? Stating opinion as opinion is fine, but stating opinion as fact, prove it.


Just my 6 cents, as you were gents.

thumbsupsmiley.png I agree.



"Clearly we have an underlying issue with NVIDIA, though, who continue to throw their weight around whenever they can. For some silly reason, though, we continue to reach out to NVIDIA and try to make peace."

I like how TT makes it seem like they want to make peace for no reason.. The  "silly "reason is that Nvidia is one of the two largest video card manufacturers in the world! TT would be a much more successful company if they had Nvidia's support.

From a consumer standpoint, I don't like it BUT it makes sense for Nvidia to disallow that cooler if it even exists. It's not hard to figure out why.
Why? So that company goes AMD?
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LMAO at BBEG.

For bashing TT you are using the same tactics they are and only telling one side of the story. Your argument with Usario started because you posted this
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I would certainly deny a review site a sample if they behave like children who don't get their way.

So in turn he replied with a post referring to childsish things. But again in youre entire post you left out that you started it.

hypocriticism at its finest.
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So they're mad that they're getting a cold shoulder from Nvidia?

Didn't they release the GTX 660 Ti review back about two weeks ago before it was really released? So... >_> yeah... no honoring the NDA... big no-no.
     
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Never heard about this TT as reviewers of anything and don't remember seeing them, ever.
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Much to the horror of NVIDIA and a number of their partners, we had the opportunity to look at the new GTX 660 Ti GPU in both stock form and overclocked form well ahead of the official launch today.

Now the butt hurt teenagers (also pointing at grammar) are mad...

Just let it go, they are far away from being who they claim to be. Go read something on that blog...
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