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Okay, i had a Q6600 G0 and it had a 1.3250V VID on it, it took 1.575Vcore in BIOS (1.53V in CPU-Z) to get a Stable 3.62Ghz.

I just bought another Q6600 G0, it also has 1.3250V VID in CoreTemp, but for a Stable 3.6Ghz OC, it only needs 1.475V BIOS (1.440V in CPU-Z)

Now i have looked all over Google and hear, and everyone has said, "Lower the VID, the better OC" but my New Q6600 seems to go against what i have read. What gives??

Thanks.


Note: Not complaining, but i would love to know what's going on lol
 
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VID is not always indicative of a good clocking CPU. It helps that you have a very good board to overclock that Q6600 on, some people hit FSB walls with lesser boards before they can get as high as you have.

Here is the most accurate explanation I have found in relation to what VID is "VID = Voltage Identification. It's 6 pins on the CPU where it requests a specific amount of voltage from the VRM on the motherboard.

As used in the context of overclocking, VID usually means the highest VID the CPU requests at its stock speed and stock loadline (i.e. loadline calibration off). The CoreTemp utility displays this value.

The possible VID values for a given processor is specified in the processor datasheet, something every Intel CPU owner should read."

That is from this thread http://www.overclock.net/t/251112/cpu-vid/10, by the user Error10

It is commonly believed that CPU's with low VID's will clock better, because they require less voltage to operate at stock frequencys. The only issue with this is that even though they may or may not operate at a lower voltage at stock, it does not always mean that it will require less voltage than a CPU with a higher VID at the same overclocked frequency.

You are definitely at the upper end of both of your CPU's, most people didnt take their Q6600's when they were popular that high up in volts, as they were afraid to damage the processor, or were not happy with the temperatures they were getting. I say, what do you have to lose?
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I see, but i have seen a few people on here with like 1.186 VID Q6600's and they can get about the same results as me, so that's kinda confusing still.

But my 1.440V 3.6Ghz OC only hits 60C in OCCT, and the MAX Vcore is 1.55v so i am doing better then my last Q6600 lol


Can Speed-Step mess up the VID reading? I read on here it can. Reason i ask? the guy i got my "new" Q6600 off of said it read 1.12V in Coretemp, but it reads 1.325V in my Coretemp. Thanks.
 
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I see, but i have seen a few people on here with like 1.186 VID Q6600's and they can get about the same results as me, so that's kinda confusing still.
But my 1.440V 3.6Ghz OC only hits 60C in OCCT, and the MAX Vcore is 1.55v so i am doing better then my last Q6600 lol
Can Speed-Step mess up the VID reading? I read on here it can. Reason i ask? the guy i got my "new" Q6600 off of said it read 1.12V in Coretemp, but it reads 1.325V in my Coretemp. Thanks.

The VID reading in coretemp is not a static value. It will scale with clock speed. Try setting your clocks to stock and see what it reads your VID as.
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I did it at stock and it said 1.325. I have it up to 1.4 and Coretemp still reads 1.325. ?
 
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I did it at stock and it said 1.325. I have it up to 1.4 and Coretemp still reads 1.325. ?

Maybe its only variable with new processors tongue.gif.

Perhaps he lied to you?
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Maybe its only variable with new processors tongue.gif.
Perhaps he lied to you?

That's what i am thinking, he said Speed Step was on when he checked the VID with Coretemp....does Speed Step mess with the VID?
 
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Maybe its only variable with new processors tongue.gif.
Perhaps he lied to you?

That's what i am thinking, he said Speed Step was on when he checked the VID with Coretemp....does Speed Step mess with the VID?

No the VID is static. He lied to you, plain and simple.

My Q6600 is 1.31v VID or so, and it takes around 1.52v for 3.6GHz. While your second one is definitely better, its still right in line with what I would expect out of such a high VID chip. Once you get into the 1.25v VID and less range, these chips will tend to do 3.8-4.0GHz. Some of the golden ones even higher.
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That's what i am thinking, he said Speed Step was on when he checked the VID with Coretemp....does Speed Step mess with the VID?

All speedstep does is lower the multiplier/bus speed at idle so you run at lower frequencies to reduce temps and power consumption. I doubt speedstep has any effect on VID. The sole purpose of the VID is to tell the VRM's what voltage to supply to the CPU. While my VID changes with frequency, I dont believe yours should now that I think about it. I remember when I had Core 2 chips(E4500, E8400, Q9550) all of them had a static VID readout in coretemp. If I remember correctly, none of them changed with clock speed, or with the use of speedstep.

I think this guy just may be trying to pull a fast one on you. Then again, im not an EE, so im sure there is crap load of info that im just not aware of.

If your happy with your clocks, and your voltage, what does it matter? Your definitely at the top end of your chip, and most people couldn't get that high when they were the best processor around. I guess im just saying be happy with what you got, as it is still a great clocker!
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No the VID is static. He lied to you, plain and simple.
My Q6600 is 1.31v VID or so, and it takes around 1.52v for 3.6GHz. While your second one is definitely better, its still right in line with what I would expect out of such a high VID chip. Once you get into the 1.25v VID and less range, these chips will tend to do 3.8-4.0GHz. Some of the golden ones even higher.

Oh well since the New on can do more with less i am happy, and 4Ghz was my goal at an acceptable Vcore though. And i am calling him out on it right now, wish me luck on it smile.gif

But if it static, where the hell did he get the 1.186V for VID??
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All speedstep does is lower the multiplier/bus speed at idle so you run at lower frequencies to reduce temps and power consumption. I doubt speedstep has any effect on VID. The sole purpose of the VID is to tell the VRM's what voltage to supply to the CPU. While my VID changes with frequency, I dont believe yours should now that I think about it. I remember when I had Core 2 chips(E4500, E8400, Q9550) all of them had a static VID readout in coretemp. If I remember correctly, none of them changed with clock speed, or with the use of speedstep.
I think this guy just may be trying to pull a fast one on you. Then again, im not an EE, so im sure there is crap load of info that im just not aware of.
If your happy with your clocks, and your voltage, what does it matter? Your definitely at the top end of your chip, and most people couldn't get that high when they were the best processor around. I guess im just saying be happy with what you got, as it is still a great clocker!

Yes i am happy, just don't like getting lied to. mad.gif I guess this New one is good enough, but i was hoping for the real deal on VID.
 
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