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8/18/12 at 1:39am
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really hate the archaicness of Windows, just how ancient some stuff (like their file system, NTFS) are. I mean Windows isn't even comparable to say most Linux Distros or even Apple OSX, Windows really has no strengths or things to like, it just happens to have all the support in the world

I know that Valve has been pressuring AMD and nVidia to make better graphics drivers for Linux (in preparation for L4D2 and Steam on Linux) so that might help

I mean I want to buy Windows 8 just for some of these archaic stuff are removed (Windows 8 has allot of under the hood changes) but Linux distros are just so much ahead in terms of development


Also on a side note: Since Logitech and Razer do not provide their mice software on Linux, how do you change your DPI? Changing DPI is sorta kinda the most important mouse feature there is
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8/18/12 at 6:48am
The answer is simple: Windows is a much better Windows than Wine is.
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8/18/12 at 7:06am
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The answer is simple: Windows is a much better Windows than Wine is.

Sometimes. WINE actually plays a lot of games better under Linux than they do natively in Windows tongue.gif
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8/18/12 at 9:10am
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The answer is simple: Windows is a much better Windows than Wine is.

Sometimes. WINE actually plays a lot of games better under Linux than they do natively in Windows tongue.gif

With a good deal of work. What would be nice is if wine detected the program and configred itself smile.gif I can imagen the programing nightmare that would cause though. Also Games are the only programs that are needed on linux, there is software for everything else.
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8/18/12 at 9:18am
Wine doesn't run games perfectly and if it does you get a big performance hit because it's an emulator.

If all my games were native Linux, I would never use Windows ever again.
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8/18/12 at 9:22am
Wait wait wait...

More details on Wine running games on Linux? That's really been my only excuse this whole time for running Windows and not giving Linux a good solid try...

Saying Wine actually plays some games better...how is that possible? From my brief reading, Wine basically is a middle man translator, how does that not slow the gaming down substantially?

Is there a list somewhere of known game compatibility, or is it up to the user to see what works and what doesn't?
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Wine doesn't run games perfectly and if it does you get a big performance hit because it's an emulator.
If all my games were native Linux, I would never use Windows ever again.

Brief reading says Wine=Wine Is Not an Emulator, more like a "translator".

However, you speak exactly of my concern.
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8/18/12 at 9:28am
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Wine doesn't run games perfectly and if it does you get a big performance hit because it's an emulator.
If all my games were native Linux, I would never use Windows ever again.

Just for simplicity sakes; Wine Is Not an Emulator

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Wait wait wait...
More details on Wine running games on Linux? That's really been my only excuse this whole time for running Windows and not giving Linux a good solid try...
Saying Wine actually plays some games better...how is that possible? From my brief reading, Wine basically is a middle man translator, how does that not slow the gaming down substantially?
Is there a list somewhere of known game compatibility, or is it up to the user to see what works and what doesn't?

One set of games, CoD run better in WINE than they do in Windows. You'll usually see an increase in FPS albeit small in the grand scheme, but still better. Same with plenty of other games. The more popular, the more work that has gone into making compatibility better.

As to a list; http://appdb.winehq.org/ , there's a list along with what version of wine to use and any patches that may need be applied.
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8/18/12 at 9:38am
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Just for simplicity sakes; Wine Is Not an Emulator
One set of games, CoD run better in WINE than they do in Windows. You'll usually see an increase in FPS albeit small in the grand scheme, but still better. Same with plenty of other games. The more popular, the more work that has gone into making compatibility better.
As to a list; http://appdb.winehq.org/ , there's a list along with what version of wine to use and any patches that may need be applied.

Not a fan of CoD, but I see a couple other games I'm currently playing on there.

What about the big ones, BF3 and BC2?

Does Punkbuster trip out at all?
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8/18/12 at 9:44am
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Not a fan of CoD, but I see a couple other games I'm currently playing on there.
What about the big ones, BF3 and BC2?
Does Punkbuster trip out at all?

BF3 is DX10 minimum, which is still being implemented, along with DX11.

You'll have to search the appdb for punkbuster as I haven't used it in almost 10 years now I think, lol. And I don't play bc2 so again you'll have to look that up tongue.gif
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8/18/12 at 8:23pm
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Sometimes. WINE actually plays a lot of games better under Linux than they do natively in Windows tongue.gif

For some people if they set it up correctly, yes. For everyone else they'll likely get better performance and/or stability in Windows. As a general rule though, you're less likely to run into trouble running the software on Windows. All it takes is a simple Wine update and everything can break on you.
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Wine doesn't run games perfectly and if it does you get a big performance hit because it's an emulator.

If it really was an emulator, you'd have trouble running games less than 10 years old with it on a high performance PC.
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If all my games were native Linux, I would never use Windows ever again.

Lots of people say this but I'm willing to bet that most don't really know how unlikely that scenario is. Probably because most of the people who say it have never used Linux. This doesn't apply to you though, of course.
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