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Hey guys, i was thinking of getting some new hardware, and was thinking of getting AMD this time since it's cheaper and the performance in games with Bulldozer against Intel CPU's are almost identical, at least from the reviews I've seen.

So the build i thought was:

AMD FX 8150 3.6GHz 16MB BOX SKAM3+
Corsair 2x2048MB DDR3 1600Mhz XMS3 CAS9 1.65V
I don't know which board to get, wanted a cheap but a good one (was thinking the Asrock 990FX Extreme3 AMD990FX SKAM3+ or anything cheaper but good)
For now i think my LC Power 550w Green power can handle those 3 components and my HD4870, since i'll upgrade it later (next month maybe) to one HD6950 and Corsair CX-600.


I have around 300€ = 370 $ to spend. Now the question is, will i see an improvement over my E8400 in games with the FX8150 and the 6950? or with the 6950 and my E8400 will have the same performance or identical? or i should wait for the new Piledriver CPU's or get an Intel build?
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just get the 8120. it should perform at par with the 8150 and should be cheaper . . .

http://www.overclock.net/t/1267362/amd-fx-8120-geforce-gtx-680-gaming-performance

not sure about the mobo. if you can find this it would be better (my guess) . . .

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128514

try to look for a used sabertooth.
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just get the 8120. it should perform at par with the 8150 and should be cheaper . . .
http://www.overclock.net/t/1267362/amd-fx-8120-geforce-gtx-680-gaming-performance

yes it's less 30€, i'll go for that one then, since it's almost the same, and about the motherboard?
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just get the 8120. it should perform at par with the 8150 and should be cheaper . . .
http://www.overclock.net/t/1267362/amd-fx-8120-geforce-gtx-680-gaming-performance
not sure about the mobo. if you can find this it would be better (my guess) . . .
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128514
try to look for a used sabertooth.

i was thinking of those two, i saw some reviews and they are nice, but the sabertooth it's a bit more expensive tongue.gif i'll see if i can get one
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In most games, which processor you pick is going to be pretty irrelevant. For CPU-bound games, such as Guild Wars 2, SC2, Civ 5, Skyrim, and a few others, the Bulldozer will be inferior to an Intel CPU. Note also that more than 4 cores is virtually never useful for a gamer.

You basically have two choices:

Get a cheap Intel setup like an i3-2100 + h61 or B75 mobo ($185 euros or less at hardwareversand.de). Or even get a non-overclocked i5 if you want to save money. An i5-3450 + a B75 mobo would be $253 euros, and offer better performance in any game that will care about CPU than Bulldozer.

or

Wait for Piledriver, since it at least offers a LITTLE better per-core performance than a Bulldozer.


Your PSU should easily handle an Intel setup (they can run any singleGPU on a quality 450w. The cheaper components will also allow you to get a better video card than a 6950.

As for RAM, look for something like this wherever you're shopping at (2x4gb kit, low profile). No need to cheap out & get 4gb:
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/1866+Low+Voltage/63654/8GB-Kit+Corsair+Vengeance+Low+Profile+blau+PC3-14900U+CL9-10-9-27.article

Whatever you choose, take motherboard cost into account. Oftentimes, AMD only looks cheaper until you take into account spending an extra 30-50 euros on motherboard costs over Intel mobos.
    
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In most games, which processor you pick is going to be pretty irrelevant. For CPU-bound games, such as Guild Wars 2, SC2, Civ 5, Skyrim, and a few others, the Bulldozer will be inferior to an Intel CPU. Note also that more than 4 cores is virtually never useful for a gamer.
You basically have two choices:
Get a cheap Intel setup like an i3-2100 + h61 or B75 mobo ($185 euros or less at hardwareversand.de). Or even get a non-overclocked i5 if you want to save money. An i5-3450 + a B75 mobo would be $253 euros, and offer better performance in any game that will care about CPU than Bulldozer.
or
Wait for Piledriver, since it at least offers a LITTLE better per-core performance than a Bulldozer.
Your PSU should easily handle an Intel setup (they can run any singleGPU on a quality 450w. The cheaper components will also allow you to get a better video card than a 6950.
As for RAM, look for something like this wherever you're shopping at (2x4gb kit, low profile). No need to cheap out & get 4gb:
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/1866+Low+Voltage/63654/8GB-Kit+Corsair+Vengeance+Low+Profile+blau+PC3-14900U+CL9-10-9-27.article
Whatever you choose, take motherboard cost into account. Oftentimes, AMD only looks cheaper until you take into account spending an extra 30-50 euros on motherboard costs over Intel mobos.

what is a low profile ram?
that website has interesting prices, need to check it better at home.

Well for games i'm basically playing WoW and League of Lengends, i don't mind if the bulldozer is a bit inferior to an intel cpu, if it can keep games at least with 50/60fps i'm fine with it. if Piledriver compensates over bulldozer then i can wait a bit more.
On the board side, so your saying that, overall a good AM3+ board will cost a bit more than one 1155 board?
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what is a low profile ram?
that website has interesting prices, need to check it better at home.
Well for games i'm basically playing WoW and League of Lengends, i don't mind if the bulldozer is a bit inferior to an intel cpu, if it can keep games at least with 50/60fps i'm fine with it. if Piledriver compensates over bulldozer then i can wait a bit more.
On the board side, so your saying that, overall a good AM3+ board will cost a bit more than one 1155 board?

Low-profile RAM means it doesn't have big, useless, spiky heat spreaders on top. Basically, short RAM = better than tall RAM. Just because it's easier to fit into a system using a tower heatsink. And low profile RAM usually costs less.

For WoW & League of Legends, what CPU you choose basically won't matter. As a result, I recommend the i3, since it's cheaper than bulldozer. As for motherboards: yes, I'm saying that 1155 mobos are cheaper than AM3+ mobos, especially because you generally plan to overclock an AMD chip, and thus mobo quailty matters. For the lower-end Intel processors, you can't overclock, so you can go with whatever dirt-cheap mobo (40-75 euro, H61 or B75) fits the CPU.

One of the things to keep in mind while shopping is that for a gamer, any AMD cpu+mobo+CPU cooler should cost less than 250 euros (preferably by more than a little bit). The 250 mark coming from the cost of an i5-3450 + B75 mobo, which will be better for gaming than any current AMD solution.

And then once it gets under that 250 euro mark, you then compare it to a cheap i3 build - and often the i3 build is superior on cost grounds.

As for hardwareversand.de, I figure you should be able to use it, as Portugal is part of the EU. But I don't know exactly how that works. Prices may be somewhat different compared to local vendors depending on shopping / different taxes between Germany and Portugal, etc.

At least I'm assuming Lisbon, Alhandra refers to Portugal redface.gif.
    
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Low-profile RAM means it doesn't have big, useless, spiky heat spreaders on top. Basically, short RAM = better than tall RAM. Just because it's easier to fit into a system using a tower heatsink. And low profile RAM usually costs less.
For WoW & League of Legends, what CPU you choose basically won't matter. As a result, I recommend the i3, since it's cheaper than bulldozer. As for motherboards: yes, I'm saying that 1155 mobos are cheaper than AM3+ mobos, especially because you generally plan to overclock an AMD chip, and thus mobo quailty matters. For the lower-end Intel processors, you can't overclock, so you can go with whatever dirt-cheap mobo (40-75 euro, H61 or B75) fits the CPU.
One of the things to keep in mind while shopping is that for a gamer, any AMD cpu+mobo+CPU cooler should cost less than 250 euros (preferably by more than a little bit). The 250 mark coming from the cost of an i5-3450 + B75 mobo, which will be better for gaming than any current AMD solution.
And then once it gets under that 250 euro mark, you then compare it to a cheap i3 build - and often the i3 build is superior on cost grounds.
As for hardwareversand.de, I figure you should be able to use it, as Portugal is part of the EU. But I don't know exactly how that works. Prices may be somewhat different compared to local vendors depending on shopping / different taxes between Germany and Portugal, etc.
At least I'm assuming Lisbon, Alhandra refers to Portugal redface.gif.

yes i'm from Portugal tongue.gif for what i'm choosing and checking prices in that store the i5 build is cheaper than the bulldozer one. well in that store everything is cheaper than here in Portugal biggrin.gif now the problem is if the delivery costs compensate or not, since we don't pay taxes inside the EU for buying stuff in other country's only if i buy out of the EU then i need to pay those international taxes. i think i'll go for the i5 build since it's a 4 core cpu.

I think i'll go with this build, i made the prices from the store i usually get stuff here in Portugal.
Intel Core i5-3450 3.1GHz (3.5GHz Turbo) 6MB BOX
Asus P8B75-M LE Intel B75 SK1155
Corsair Vengeance LP 2x4096MB DDR3 1600Mhz CAS9 1.5V (this ones are low profile)
Total: 321.3 €
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Looks pretty good, I hope you enjoy.
    
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Looks pretty good, I hope you enjoy.

me too biggrin.gif thx for the help thumb.gif
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