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it just comes down to what a persons diffention of mediocre is. For me a 8150 that is in the same ball park as a I5 2500 for less money is woth it to me the fact that I get up to 110 FPS instead of 125 FPS but that is my owen personal feelings and I stress this this is how I feel I dont see as being inferior

I would agree completely. My FX-8150 by some may be mediocre but workable but I can tell you I can run any game that I have at 1080p with max/ultra settings with no problems what so ever. I have a intel/Nvidia rig that has a horrible stutter problem on some games that I have no problems with on my AMD/ATI rig So for me my intel/Nvidia rig is mediocre and not workable on some games. I also run some of my games in a triple Eyefinity setup with my 3 Asus 27" monitors with no problem. I am currently playing Sleeping Dogs at 5760x1080 and it is smooth as butter! A lot of people seem to discount AMD just because it is AMD it seems. The money I saved by going AMD let me get a better graphics card setup and a few other upgrades to my rig that I would not have been able to do other wise so for me it was the smart move and as it worked out I have a much better system than I would have otherwise got.

As for the ram that pioneerisloud posted for one penny more you can get a match set of 2x4gig at Newegg with free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147096 plus with Amazon you have tax added to the order now and Newegg does not.
The one thing that pioneerisloud was absolutely correct on is to get the best graphics card you can. As most games anymore depend on graphics horsepower
more than the CPU the more you save on the CPU and mainboard the more you can put into the GPU.
 
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I just put together an i5 2500k, P8P67 Pro, HD6970, 8GB RAM rig for about $550 for another user. He was missing a hard drive, monitor, keyboard and mouse...that's all EASILY obtainable with the rest of your budget, and I could likely find better deals for you considering the higher budget. No reason to go with lesser parts, just because your'e on a budget. Times like this is when you should look at used and refurbished equipment. wink.gif
Make note, my entire rig was less than $1500, including the 30" Dell monitor and 7970. It just takes some smart shopping. wink.gif

that whole rig cost $1500? WARNING: unrelated post! will you help me with my build? link:http://www.overclock.net/t/1291820/2400-build-comments also OP, heres something i would go for $900, without monitor/peripherals.

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CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($159.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($102.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Samsung 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($23.49 @ Newegg)
Memory: Samsung 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($23.49 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($368.00 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($45.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 650W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $893.48
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-08-20 05:43 EDT-0400)

i5-2500K with Z77 board, 8GB of "oc's like hellz" ram and a GTX670. the only thing this build needs is a $20 212+, which if i were you would go for.oh and also, this is what i came up without peripherals, also i thought you would prefer storage>speed, so i put a HDD instead of SSD.
     
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my build is better, even though it might not kick your build's arse, but it is better overall and more worth the money, and im not telling this because i made that build. GTX670 and a i5 in a $900 is very nice build, you also get 8Gb ram and 2TB hdd.
     
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post #25 of 71
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it just comes down to what a persons diffention of mediocre is. For me a 8150 that is in the same ball park as a I5 2500 for less money is woth it to me the fact that I get up to 110 FPS instead of 125 FPS but that is my owen personal feelings and I stress this this is how I feel I dont see as being inferior

1000000% correct. every single time a forum member asks for advice regards an amd build at any level on this forum the same contributors always suggest intel. the fact is that contrary to popular belief the amd platforms in most situations for the every day gamer, ie, 1x1920x1080 60hz display and even one to two high end gpu there is no discernible difference between the platforms unless you spend more time watching fraps and other such monitoring software than actually playing the game to tell the difference. I have not got an issue with anyone recommending an intel build and im sure they perform better but no one ever accepts, unless they own an amd platform that it is a viable option. Bulldozer is a very good gaming cpu. I would suggest that when people ask for an amd build we should not take as a given that they have lived like an ostrich for the last year and are perfectly aware of the virtues of an intel build over amd.
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1000000% correct. every single time a forum member asks for advice regards an amd build at any level on this forum the same contributors always suggest intel. the fact is that contrary to popular belief the amd platforms in most situations for the every day gamer, ie, 1x1920x1080 60hz display and even one to two high end gpu there is no discernible difference between the platforms unless you spend more time watching fraps and other such monitoring software than actually playing the game to tell the difference. I have not got an issue with anyone recommending an intel build and im sure they perform better but no one ever accepts, unless they own an amd platform that it is a viable option. Bulldozer is a very good gaming cpu. I would suggest that when people ask for an amd build we should not take as a given that they have lived like an ostrich for the last year and are perfectly aware of the virtues of an intel build over amd.

I agree, but it's hard to suggest a 8120/8150 over a 2500k/3570k (or lower non K models) when the i5 is cheaper and uses less power. As you said it makes no difference either way.
If overclocking the i5 has a higher 24/7 clock with a decent cooler.. Maybe 5.2GHz is 24/7 but I wouldn't like to be putting so much voltage through my chip.

The Intel chips also have IGP's which if you're ever in need of a PC and have no graphics card(s) you can rely upon that. (I'll need to one day I can bet).
And who wants a "Three core" FX6100 even if it does rock most games tongue.gif
 
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again, get a cooler and my build will kick some arse hard!
     
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I agree, but it's hard to suggest a 8120/8150 over a 2500k/3570k (or lower non K models) when the i5 is cheaper and uses less power. As you said it makes no difference either way.
If overclocking the i5 has a higher 24/7 clock with a decent cooler.. Maybe 5.2GHz is 24/7 but I wouldn't like to be putting so much voltage through my chip.
The Intel chips also have IGP's which if you're ever in need of a PC and have no graphics card(s) you can rely upon that. (I'll need to one day I can bet).
And who wants a "Three core" FX6100 even if it does rock most games tongue.gif

oh I agree and I wouldn't suggest an fx over sandy or ivy to anyone asking for a new build suggestions. The thing that really irritates me is when someone threads/posts requesting help/suggestions for an amd build in quite plain language and is then subjected to the same old intel is a million times better line. I would just suggest that someone whom has taken the time to join ocn forum, decided to build a machine and posted on this forum knows the virtues of the current pc line-up and decided to ask for amd for a particular reason applicable to themselves. performance and value is applicable to the user. a lot of the performance difference between the platforms is something that 99% of the computing population, ie 125fps fx v 150fps i5 on a single monitor would not even see. If I decide today to go buy a ford for example I wouldn't expect to be kidnapped and enlightened outside the dealership by the Vauxhall salesman. If everyone jumps ship and stops supporting a company whom is a far smaller entity regards cpu choice then that can only be bad for us consumers in the long run as the main company can do as it pleases with reference to development and passing savings to the consumer. us. I wouldn't even mind if after suggesting an alternative intel buid the rigbuilder then suggested an affordable capable amd system as a balance, and actually addresses the op question but this almost never happens
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oh I agree and I wouldn't suggest an fx over sandy or ivy to anyone asking for a new build suggestions. The thing that really irritates me is when someone threads/posts requesting help/suggestions for an amd build in quite plain language and is then subjected to the same old intel is a million times better line. I would just suggest that someone whom has taken the time to join ocn forum, decided to build a machine and posted on this forum knows the virtues of the current pc line-up and decided to ask for amd for a particular reason applicable to themselves. performance and value is applicable to the user. a lot of the performance difference between the platforms is something that 99% of the computing population, ie 125fps fx v 150fps i5 on a single monitor would not even see. If I decide today to go buy a ford for example I wouldn't expect to be kidnapped and enlightened outside the dealership by the Vauxhall salesman. If everyone jumps ship and stops supporting a company whom is a far smaller entity regards cpu choice then that can only be bad for us consumers in the long run as the main company can do as it pleases with reference to development and passing savings to the consumer. us

Oh yeah, friends are looking at "upgrades" that are on the AM3+ platform, I tell them to go with an 8120 and sell the Deneb on eBay. Why sell the entire rig for just the CPU being a little better when you can move the CPU over to another rig or sell it on eBay again?
AMD need something competitive though.. something 960t(ish). biggrin.gif
 
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Oh yeah, friends are looking at "upgrades" that are on the AM3+ platform, I tell them to go with an 8120 and sell the Deneb on eBay. Why sell the entire rig for just the CPU being a little better when you can move the CPU over to another rig or sell it on eBay again?
AMD need something competitive though.. something 960t(ish). biggrin.gif

I don't really know about previous amd platforms. I have always owned intel. I now have fx8120 on the sabertooth 990fx and I love it. I suppose a lot is to do with what you use it for. I don't play any old core intense games. I play bf3 and cod and looking forward to modern warfighter so my fx8120 with my gpu performs very well. this cpu has been my first adventure with overclocking hence my joining ocn and its been nothing less than a great experience. At some point I may try another intel now I am really into the oc side of things but for now I am very happy with my cpu,gpu,mobo configuration and never experience anything like the poor performance that is widely reported. im not really tied by budget and didn't buy amd because it was cheaper. after reading all the negative stuff I made a decision to try it out. I am now becoming a performance enthusiast because of my involvement on this site and the vast pool of peoples knowledge and would have no issue buying an intel rig should I get to the point that my system is not performing. this forum is a wide knowledge base for learners like me. There is another site like this in the uk that I flatly refuse to contribute to as its so completely biased. on here I generally find a much more balanced community.
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