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Looking to rebuild my system and get my feet wet with overclocking and liquid cooling. I've built a few systems and gone the AMD route for a long time. I'm looking to try the Intel Camp. Currently running a Phenom II 940 BE on an Asus M4A79 with 4GB RAM and a GeForce 9800 GTX tucked inside a CM Stacker 830. My current build is running at stock settings for the hardware.

My total budget for the new build will need to come in at or just under 2k. I plan to keep my CM Stacker 830 and go with the following.

CPU = i5 3570k
Mobo = Asus Maximus V Formula
GPU = EVGA 680 GTX
MEM = CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB x2
HDD = WD Caviar Black 1TB 6GB/sec
SSD = OCZ Vertex 120GB

That's what I have so far. My primary uses are general surfing and gaming, D3 WoW, SWTOR being the usual suspects. I can't see a reason to go i7 and the 680 is an attempt at future proofing as I'd like to get 3-4 years out of this rig. 16GB RAM might be a bit over kill but I like to multi task and do some light dual boxing in WoW from time to time. I'm still trying to sort out the cooling and PSU needs. I'd like to focus on keeping everything cool and more toward the quiet side. I'm not looking to go too extreme on the OC as this will be my first venture into that world. I might add a 2nd 680 GTX if it's needed in the future. As far as liquid cooling I'm looking to do a custom loop and either just the CPU or a CPU and GPU loop. From what I've read thus far I won't need much beyond that unless I decide to really push the OC limits. Thoughts, comments, suggestions, and feedback are more than welcome. Thanks in advance for any wisdom bestowed.
Edited by zflamewing - 8/21/12 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by zflamewing View Post

CPU = i5 3570k
Mobo = Asus Maximus V Formula
GPU = EVGA 680 GTX
MEM = CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB x2
HDD = WD Caviar Black 1TB 6GB/sec
SSD = OCZ Vertex 3 120GB
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Mobo ok expensive though, do you really need it.
GPU. Have you looked at the 670 its much better value and performs great.

HHD. do you need to have the black. why not a green/blue since you have an SSD.

SSD. Don't touch that thing, sandforce + ocz.. No thanks. Grab a samsung 830 they are super reliable, and in real world usage will be as fast as sand-force drives.
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I have historically used Caviar Black drives . I'll look into the Blue and Green as well the 670 GTX. I don't plan on running 2 GPU's tops so I figured the Formula was a better option than the Extreme. I'll look into the Samsung SSD as well. Thanks for the input. Anyone have other suggestions I'm all ears. Recommended PSU wattage if I do end up running SLI In the future?
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I have historically used Caviar Black drives . I'll look into the Blue and Green as well the 670 GTX. I don't plan on running 2 GPU's tops so I figured the Formula was a better option than the Extreme. I'll look into the Samsung SSD as well. Thanks for the input. Anyone have other suggestions I'm all ears. Recommended PSU wattage if I do end up running SLI In the future?

I dont think a Maximus V Formula is needed either. I think a P8Z77-V Pro or a Sabertooth would do nicely. For PSU I would suggest NZXT Hale 650W or if u think not enough, then a 750W should be enough. An Antec Earthwatts or High Current Gamer would also do nicely for this system
    
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I have historically used Caviar Black drives . I'll look into the Blue and Green as well the 670 GTX. I don't plan on running 2 GPU's tops so I figured the Formula was a better option than the Extreme. I'll look into the Samsung SSD as well. Thanks for the input. Anyone have other suggestions I'm all ears. Recommended PSU wattage if I do end up running SLI In the future?

650Watts is comfortable for that CPU and SLI 670s. There will be enough room for a d5 pump (25Watt) plus fans ect.

Defiantly have a look at benches for.

670 and 680.
SLI670 and SLI680.

Compare the performance difference with the price difference.
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GTX670 instead of GTX680 is a better value for sure. /agree

I don't see anything special about about that extended ATX board personally to justify spending that much. There isn't a "performance" benefit that coincides with whatever minor amount of extra OC a ultra fancy board like that might eek out, to justify the price, unless the goal is simply to achieve big looking OCs on paper.

The $130 BIOSTAR TZ77XE3 is actually all you ever really should need for this build, more is OPTIONAL with minimal return on investment,

Many boards in the $150-200 range are SLI capable and have respectably beefy VRM configurations, many of them also happen to be available in combo specials with some very well respected SSDs right now....

BIOSTAR TZ77XE3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1040757
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1040816

BIOSTAR TZ77XE4
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1040755
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1040813

MSI Z77A-GD55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1040379
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1040440

ASRock Z77 Extreme6
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1040984
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1041045

ASUS P8Z77-V
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1041288
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1041350

GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD5H (edited in, I guess I missed this, agree with ch3co below, excellent choice)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1041232
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1041158


As long as we're talking value... let me show you this little gem of a combo special:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1024890

$25 combo savings, and then you can apply promo code: HARDOCPX815F on top of that for another $32 savings (I tested it, works in cart, should allow checkout)...

Normally I wouldn't suggest this, but those 2 discounts bring the price of that i7-2700K down into spitting range of a 3570K. The normal price premium of the i7s is not worth the dismal improvement in performance for most situations, but when we're talking, an extra $30 or so on grouping of components that may be $1000+ worth, it just makes sense. The Sandy Bridge units are also a bit more OC friendly, so since your goal with this rig is to OC, it makes sense to go with the easier to OC chip.

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Here's a PSU/HD combo that saves you $30: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1025483

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Finally, Vengeance memory has very tall heatsinks. As long as you're certainly going water loop, then they won't interfere, but if you scale back to air cooling (which is fine for sandy chips to hit great OCs), then you should pick a shallower kit. I think the Mushkin 1.35V 1866MHZ 2x8GB kits are currently looking like a very good value at ~$105 typically. (only a few dollars more than pretty "ordinary" RAM, will buy some OCing headroom and cool looking synthetic benches)

Regards,
Eric
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First off, no offense to what is probably a favourite case of yours, but get rid of it!!!!

1. No mobo cutout. If you plan on using any sort of water cooling, you need room for a mounting plate on the back of the board.

2. ****-all routing options. If you're planning on using a custom built cooling loop, you'll need a lot of room for your tubing (especially with a CPU+GPU loop), so you need a way to get your power/data cables out of the way. And it will also help with airflow to cool everything else.

3. Top mounted PSU. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I don't like the idea of having a big weighty thing like a PSU mounted relatively precariously above all my hardware.

 

I'd recommend a case like the Corsair 400R or NXZT Phantom 410

 

As for everything else:

- You don't need the Maximus V mobo. I'd suggest a Gigabyte Z77X UD5H.

- Stay away from that SSD!!! I'd recommend a Crucial M4 128GB

- As Andrew said, 650W is plenty for any major upgrades you may do in the few years. If you're really worried, go with a 750W.

 

What, if anything, are you carrying over from your old rig? Specifically, are you planning on buying a new monitor/keyboard/mouse?

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Recently just did my rig over. Went with an i7 3770K because Microcenter was running a special so I got it for $259.99. Anyway, Get a Samsung 830 or Crucial M4 for an SSD. Pickup a WD Caviar Green for storage. Also, I went with the Asus Maximus V Gene. Board is rock solid, performs well and has tons of features because it is part of the ROG series. That board wound up costing me $154.99 through Microcenter because they were offering $50 off the purchase of a MoBo if you also purchased a i7 3770K. Yes it's Micro ATX, but that shouldnt be a reason to ignore it as a smaller, cheaper option. Will post a pic soon.
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Not a good pic, try a better one later.
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Thanks all for the feed back. Where's where I'm at currently

I'm dropping to the 670 GTX vs the 680. I notice Gigabyte's OC is currently running around the same price as the EVGA running at the reference speeds.

On the Mobo I'll confess the M-Sata riser card with wifi and bluetooh along with the kicked up on board sound was rather eye catching. I've been a long time fan of Asus boards so my research has been focused there. I hadn't thought of the Gene or the P8Z77-V Pro. I'll have to look at those more closely as the other suggestions made.

I also realize the need for the new case, hadn't thought about needing the clearance for a backing plate. Those both look like reasonable solutions and things to dig into more. I appreciate the heads up on the OCZ SSD's. While I'm on the storage front I'm looking at the WD Caviar Blue which is running for about 90 USD for a 1TB Drive. Currently the monitor mouse and keyboard would carry over. Monitor is a basic LG 21" wide screen running 1680x1050. I'll want to upgrade to a 24" running 1920x1200 when I get the money after the first of the year, separate project which will also probably bring in the 2nd GPU. My mouse is currently a well loved/worn Logitech MX518, and this post is being crafted via the MS Natural Ergo keyboard, I've typed on various versions for a very long time. I've thought of jumping to the Naga off and on as I could see the extra buttons under the right hand thumb opening up new options for my control scheme for MMO's. That will take more thinking and research. I'm seeing a lot of changes to the proposed build. I'll either post and updated build or edit the first post with the changes after I've thought out the next few pieces I still need that haven't gotten posted in the top yet.

Thanks again everyone for your feed back. I'm learning a lot in the last day or so and expect more learning and eye opening moments. smile.gifthumb.gif
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