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I liked the "intentionally forcing people away" part. No business would ever have that as their model. To each their own though, these are all opinions. Would I upgrade my Win7 machines? No. Will my Vista machine and my new build get this? Yes! I've been rocking preview on my gaming rig since it was built and really, the only difference is that I know where that windows key is on my board oh so well now. Takes a little getting used to but it's not hard. It's like learning the controls on a new game or a new phone. Do people really give up that easily?
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post #142 of 158
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Ignorance really is bliss.

Let me ask you a question, and please think about it seriously before responding.

Given the amount of "dislike" that there is about Metro, and given that Microsoft doesn't live in a vacuum and surely knows that there are many tens of thousands, if not millions, of people who have already chimed in saying that they will not buy Windows 8 because of Metro, do YOU think that it is a good idea for them to NOT have a "Classic View" option and allow the end user to choose how they want to operate their computer?

The fact of the matter is, Microsoft is going to lose an untold amount of money by NOT having "Classic View" in Windows 8. I really haven't heard too many people say "You know, I used to hate the way that Windows 7 looked, and I wasn't going to buy Windows 8, but since they added Metro, I'm going to buy Windows 8 now."


Secondly, do you really think that not having a "Classic View" (but still have "Desktop" in Windows 8 for many things) will make Windows 8 that much faster and smaller? Or do you think that by NOT having "Classic View", Microsoft is trying to FORCE people into what they envision the future of ALL Microsoft products to look like?
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I liked the "intentionally forcing people away" part. No business would ever have that as their model. To each their own though, these are all opinions. Would I upgrade my Win7 machines? No. Will my Vista machine and my new build get this? Yes!

I don't know if you knew this or not, but if you upgrade from Vista to Windows 8, you can then "downgrade" to Windows 7. Thus, for $39.99, you can in effect, "upgrade" your Vista machines to Windows 7.

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post #144 of 158
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Given the amount of "dislike" that there is about Metro, and given that Microsoft doesn't live in a vacuum and surely knows that there are many tens of thousands, if not millions, of people who have already chimed in saying that they will not buy Windows 8 because of Metro, do YOU think that it is a good idea for them to NOT have a "Classic View" option and allow the end user to choose how they want to operate their computer?

There aren't "ten of thousands or millions" of people that dislike it. There's the few extremely vocal haters (numbering probably in the hundreds or less), the bandwagon haters who just want something to hate on (maybe numbering in the thousands), and the people that hear all the bad things, but once they try it they find it isn't that bad and couldn't really care less which OS they're using (this is what "might" number in the millions). In fact, many of the people who don't upgrade are people who don't want to spend the money on upgrading. People buying OEM machines with Windows 8 (the vast majority of Microsoft's income from OS's) won't even bother wanting to change back to Windows 7.
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Windows + X Best shortcut ever lol. Try it
    
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post #146 of 158
I played with the preview for a while on a second machine for S's & giggles. Had no problem with it. Just felt different.


I don't know about it in the end it did show a .3 fps drop in bf3. That's unacceptable.
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Windows + X Best shortcut ever lol. Try it

Right clicking on the bottom left corner has the same effect wink.gif
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I was talking to my University lecturers. They said Microsoft just commit suicide. No-one is thinking about adpoting Windows 8 in the business space and all those that need upgrades are eyeing up Macs...
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Let me ask you a question, and please think about it seriously before responding.

Given the amount of "dislike" that there is about Metro, and given that Microsoft doesn't live in a vacuum and surely knows that there are many tens of thousands, if not millions, of people who have already chimed in saying that they will not buy Windows 8 because of Metro, do YOU think that it is a good idea for them to NOT have a "Classic View" option and allow the end user to choose how they want to operate their computer?

The fact of the matter is, Microsoft is going to lose an untold amount of money by NOT having "Classic View" in Windows 8. I really haven't heard too many people say "You know, I used to hate the way that Windows 7 looked, and I wasn't going to buy Windows 8, but since they added Metro, I'm going to buy Windows 8 now."


Secondly, do you really think that not having a "Classic View" (but still have "Desktop" in Windows 8 for many things) will make Windows 8 that much faster and smaller? Or do you think that by NOT having "Classic View", Microsoft is trying to FORCE people into what they envision the future of ALL Microsoft products to look like?

1. Pretty sure that MS has done their research and weighed the options. Pretty sure the weight fell on the side of not including at 15+ year old menu style.

2. Pretty sure that the future is moving towards touch-based and gesture-based devices (among those already available), regardless of whether or not the tech world believes the future to do with or without a mouse or a keyboard, and that those devices will be 'synced' with cloud-based (and deployed) infrastructure, development, and services.

Now, to further disperse your baseless claims lets assume that:

*MS is well aware of the licensing options that have only very recently turned over from XP deployed systems to Windows 7.
*MS is well aware of the 'niche' of people (including yourself in the extreme end) who don't care for the new interface.
*MS has better research options available to discern what will and won't move and in what direction, far better and far over reaching than your own research capabilities.
*MS doesn't give a rats rear about your opinion.
*MS will still make plenty of money in other licensing ventures, perhaps even more so with a bigger entrance into the OEM space with 'Surface' tablets, and still remains the industry leader in terms of OS space/market share.

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1. Pretty sure that MS has done their research and weighed the options. Pretty sure the weight fell on the side of not including at 15+ year old menu style.
2. Pretty sure that the future is moving towards touch-based and gesture-based devices (among those already available), regardless of whether or not the tech world believes the future to do with or without a mouse or a keyboard, and that those devices will be 'synced' with cloud-based (and deployed) infrastructure, development, and services.
Now, to further disperse your baseless claims lets assume that:
*MS is well aware of the licensing options that have only very recently turned over from XP deployed systems to Windows 7.
*MS is well aware of the 'niche' of people (including yourself in the extreme end) who don't care for the new interface.
*MS has better research options available to discern what will and won't move and in what direction, far better and far over reaching than your own research capabilities.
*MS doesn't give a rats rear about your opinion.
*MS will still make plenty of money in other licensing ventures, perhaps even more so with a bigger entrance into the OEM space with 'Surface' tablets, and still remains the industry leader in terms of OS space/market share.
You're on the edge man, grab a rope because you might fall over.

Yeah, no on the "niche" part. No-one I've spoken to outside OCN, online and off, likes Windows 8. My University have no intentions of upgrading to it. All of the Computing staff dislike it and won't be using it. WE almost weren't going to be using VS 2012 because of the Metro apps forcing.

As for researching and being totally clued up? Two words, one name: Steve Ballmer.

Now, Win8 for MS Surface/Tablets is going to be great. You're going to have this tablet interface that easily switches to a desktop when need be. But for Desktop, they've alienated a lot of people.
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