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1. Pretty sure that MS has done their research and weighed the options. Pretty sure the weight fell on the side of not including at 15+ year old menu style.
2. Pretty sure that the future is moving towards touch-based and gesture-based devices (among those already available), regardless of whether or not the tech world believes the future to do with or without a mouse or a keyboard, and that those devices will be 'synced' with cloud-based (and deployed) infrastructure, development, and services.
Now, to further disperse your baseless claims lets assume that:
*MS is well aware of the licensing options that have only very recently turned over from XP deployed systems to Windows 7.
*MS is well aware of the 'niche' of people (including yourself in the extreme end) who don't care for the new interface.
*MS has better research options available to discern what will and won't move and in what direction, far better and far over reaching than your own research capabilities.
*MS doesn't give a rats rear about your opinion.
*MS will still make plenty of money in other licensing ventures, perhaps even more so with a bigger entrance into the OEM space with 'Surface' tablets, and still remains the industry leader in terms of OS space/market share.
You're on the edge man, grab a rope because you might fall over.

Yeah, no on the "niche" part. No-one I've spoken to outside OCN, online and off, likes Windows 8. My University have no intentions of upgrading to it. All of the Computing staff dislike it and won't be using it. WE almost weren't going to be using VS 2012 because of the Metro apps forcing.

As for researching and being totally clued up? Two words, one name: Steve Ballmer.

Now, Win8 for MS Surface/Tablets is going to be great. You're going to have this tablet interface that easily switches to a desktop when need be. But for Desktop, they've alienated a lot of people.
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I was talking to my University lecturers. They said Microsoft just commit suicide. No-one is thinking about adpoting Windows 8 in the business space and all those that need upgrades are eyeing up Macs...
Except almost every single server provider is absolutely in love with the new Server 2012 model. rolleyes.gif
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How the hell do you know it didn't make it lighter? Code is code, it takes up space. Having the code for two menus and two user interfaces takes up space.
If the code didn't even exist in any Windows 8 previews, you wouldn't have a ground to stand on for saying Microsoft intentionally "breaking" something. And previews are just that, previews.

If by lighter you mean takes up less hard drive space by 1-5 MEGS, sure, it's lighter. But since most people who will be running the desktop version of Windows 8 have between 250 GIGS and 10 TERABYTES of hard drive space, it is pretty much statistically insignificantly "lighter".

When most people talk about an operating system (especially a desktop OS) being "lighter", they generally mean faster.

But as far as the "If the code didn't even exist" argument, you are correct. But then again, the code DID EXIST, and it WAS REMOVED, thus I DO have a leg to stand on. thumb.gif

Again, all Microsoft has to do to shut me and all the other people who hate Metro up (and actually get us to buy Windows 8, because it IS a better OS, and WILL BE faster in about 6-12 months when better drivers are written to take full advantage of the under the hood changes, is to add in a feature that all Windows OS's for the past 20 years have had ... Classic View.

But Microsoft is intentionally driving customers away, because they want to make a shift to a different GUI and FORCE people to go along. Only problem is, they are cutting off their nose to spite their face with that forced change.

The removal of code usually isn't to shrink an executable, by "lighter" they mean it will run more efficiently, be easier to maintain and update, by more secure, etc...
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I was talking to my University lecturers. They said Microsoft just commit suicide. No-one is thinking about adpoting Windows 8 in the business space and all those that need upgrades are eyeing up Macs...
Really? Have you ever worked in a business outside of school or graphics design that was Mac based? I don't think that is going to happen. They will just stick with Win 7, which is fine. Obviously if the change in the UI causes wild rejection, MS will quickly start work on Win 9 and bring back a more classic UI. I find it humorous that you would suggest that because a business couldn't adapt to the new windows UI that they would instead abandon Windows altogether and go with something even more radically different, such as a Mac. At that rate, they would be better off going Linux.
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The removal of code usually isn't to shrink an executable, by "lighter" they mean it will run more efficiently, be easier to maintain and update, by more secure, etc...

As I pointed out, all they did was remove a couple registry entries and the start button. They left in the whole "Desktop" section. So really, how much less code and easier to maintain will that be? If they REALLY wanted to "trim it down and make it secure", then they should have gotten rid of Desktop all together.
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Except almost every single server provider is absolutely in love with the new Server 2012 model. rolleyes.gif

Yeah, got proof? rolleyes.gif

I highly doubt you do and you're just fluffing your own opinion.

Not that this has anything to do with what I was talking about anyway, but y'know.
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Really? Have you ever worked in a business outside of school or graphics design that was Mac based? I don't think that is going to happen. They will just stick with Win 7, which is fine. Obviously if the change in the UI causes wild rejection, MS will quickly start work on Win 9 and bring back a more classic UI. I find it humorous that you would suggest that because a business couldn't adapt to the new windows UI that they would instead abandon Windows altogether and go with something even more radically different, such as a Mac. At that rate, they would be better off going Linux.

I didn't suggest it. I was repeating what my University Lecturer told me about the people he knows. And yeah, I have worked in such businesses and I agree, they'll stick to Windows 7. Most have only just upgraded from Windows XP.
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The removal of code usually isn't to shrink an executable, by "lighter" they mean it will run more efficiently, be easier to maintain and update, by more secure, etc...

As I pointed out, all they did was remove a couple registry entries and the start button. They left in the whole "Desktop" section. So really, how much less code and easier to maintain will that be? If they REALLY wanted to "trim it down and make it secure", then they should have gotten rid of Desktop all together.

Code being removed isn't always noticeable to the end-user. There were a ton of security changes (all in code) that won't be noticeable, other than the fact that almost no virus out there will work in Windows 8 currently.
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I think this discussion has gone on long enough for everyone to have their say on the matter. Thanks everyone for having a meaningful discussion.
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