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LastPass: "an online password manager and form filler that makes web browsing easier and more secure."
RoboForm: "password manager and web form filler that completely automates password entering and form filling."
Chrome has this. It is called Chrome. The functionality is built in stock. It also Syncs.
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DownThemAll!:
Well, You could always just leave the downloads page open and close the rest, but I get a feeling that is not what you're looking for. I personally don't have problems with the default Chrome download manager as I don't close Chrome, so I don't have that much experience here.
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Google Toolbar: "You're using Chrome, that's great. All of the features of Google Toolbar are already built into your browser." --- Well... ****.
I will admit I have not seen your specific request done, so if it is in there it's pretty convoluted. This is however another one of those things I would say "Cool!... but why?" to though.
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Tab Position:
Ya, probably not going to happen. It isn't a design thing, Chrome simply has no title bar. If you move the address bar on top you have no way to move, minimise, etc.
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Javascript things:
I'll be honest here, I have never seen a point to disabling it. The only thing I have ever gotten from disabling Javascript anything is broken websites. As a result, I have no personal experience with them. However, there are multiple extensions, and as such the functionally it there, however good/bad it may be.
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The Rest: I don't care.
I am not here to convert you, and I'm sure as hell not going to be converted.
A few of these things (Tab Position, NoScript, LastPass) are personal preference, and have little to do with functionality. Theres really nothing that can be done about these, and they are legit reasons to stick with something. I should know since I am going to the OneX despite the locked in battery/SD chip just to stick with a ROM dev I like.
Other things like the Toolbar... Well that sucks, but it is no real different than someone sticking to nVidia because they need CUDA. It is a shame that I can not disprove that lack of functionality (in the 30 mins I spent looking).
All comes down to use the browser that's best for you, much like Linux distros. I will argue however that Chrome is better for the "average user", as it is slightly faster, updates seamlessly, and has more built in. FF's good because it's a tweaker's browser.

So you basically don't have an answer to any of them from what I read. And, no, LastPass/Roboform functionality is not built into Chrome. There's a difference between a password manager and all of the things those programs can do, especially LastPass. Please educate yourself.

And, no, that Google Toolbar feature mentioned has not been built into Chrome. We all had to read that sentence as the toolbar got phased out, and them telling us this didn't soften the blow of all the features not actually being in Chrome, either directly or through an extension.

You say it was all preferences and not really functionality, when really that isn't true, save for the whole tab bar thing. FF gives me said functionalities that Chrome doe not. I have all the information I need about both browsers to make an informed decision about which one I want to use. If other people don't care about those features, good for them. I'll loosely throw the phrase out there "ignorance is bliss". I'm not calling Chrome users bluntly ignorant, but sometimes you don't know you want or need something until you've used it. I was that way with many of the things I mentioned and more until I used them and they worked their way into my browsing habits.
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I got less then 10 000 with Firefox and Chrone on a 50Mbits line, an i5 and Windows 8:(
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So you basically don't have an answer to any of them from what I read. And, no, LastPass/Roboform functionality is not built into Chrome. There's a difference between a password manager and all of the things those programs can do, especially LastPass. Please educate yourself.
And, no, that Google Toolbar feature mentioned has not been built into Chrome. We all had to read that sentence as the toolbar got phased out, and them telling us this didn't soften the blow of all the features not actually being in Chrome, either directly or through an extension.
You say it was all preferences and not really functionality, when really that isn't true, save for the whole tab bar thing. FF gives me said functionalities that Chrome doe not. I have all the information I need about both browsers to make an informed decision about which one I want to use. If other people don't care about those features, good for them. I'll loosely throw the phrase out there "ignorance is bliss". I'm not calling Chrome users bluntly ignorant, but sometimes you don't know you want or need something until you've used it. I was that way with many of the things I mentioned and more until I used them and they worked their way into my browsing habits.

From what I can see on LastPass's own site, the plugin does absolutely nothing that Chrome does not. This alone means you are not Informed enough, or LastPass does a very very poor job of explaining things. I sure hope it is the latter.

I quoted what the google toolbar page told me, hence the extra at the end. I also agreed with you about that not being in there.

Yes, "The popup window for NoScript is to big" and "I prefer NoScript over NotScript" are preferences. The reason I labeled LastPass as a preference instead of outright wrong is it does it differently then Chrome does. As such, it is preference what way you would like it done.

You don't care about Chrome's speed because you would rather have these other things and/or don't have a use for the things Chrome offers. Igronence is Bliss, you're missing out on so much. /sarcasm Not needing or wanting something is not ignorance.

Now, sit down, shut up, and read everything since I both agreed with most of what you said, and in that post, did so with respect to your own choices without insulting you in any way. I thought we were actually having an intelligent conversation, but if you are going to start calling people ignorant or stupid, leave now.
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I got less then 10 000 with Firefox and Chrone on a 50Mbits line, an i5 and Windows 8:(

Why would internet speed help you with a JavaScript benchmark? (Which is all this test is by the way)
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Ouch....


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From what I can see on LastPass's own site, the plugin does absolutely nothing that Chrome does not. This alone means you are not Informed enough, or LastPass does a very very poor job of explaining things. I sure hope it is the latter.
I quoted what the google toolbar page told me, hence the extra at the end. I also agreed with you about that not being in there.
Yes, "The popup window for NoScript is to big" and "I prefer NoScript over NotScript" are preferences. The reason I labeled LastPass as a preference instead of outright wrong is it does it differently then
Chrome does. As such, it is preference what way you would like it done.

You choose to not comment on how I mentioned the Chrome script blocking extensions group many temporarily allowed scripts under the main website URL, making it impossible to revoke only certain temporary permissions. You have to revoke them all then reblock the ones you wanted to be kept block. This is not a preference. This is a deficiency in the extension. Do not mistake my listing certain preferences of mine as meaning that everything I said was just a preference.

LastPass includes multifactor authentication, with Yubikey support, OTPs (One Time Passwords) (these are useful in a host of situations), full gambit browser support on both desktops and mobile devices, meaning you aren't stuck using a single browser on any platform, among other things. All of this is on their site. Guess you didn't look hard enough.
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You don't care about Chrome's speed because you would rather have these other things and/or don't have a use for the things Chrome offers. Igronence is Bliss, you're missing out on so much. /sarcasm Not needing or wanting something is not ignorance.

How can you know if you want or need something if you've never used it or heard of it? That very idea implies ignorance. The problem is people throw the word ignorance around too much in a hateful ways these days, so you react defensively. If you have never used or heard of something, you are inherently ignorant of it. Pretty simple concept.
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Now, sit down, shut up, and read everything since I both agreed with most of what you said, and in that post, did so with respect to your own choices without insulting you in any way. I thought we were actually having an intelligent conversation, but if you are going to start calling people ignorant or stupid, leave now.
Why would internet speed help you with a JavaScript benchmark? (Which is all this test is by the way)

You seem to have a bad case of selective reading all around. I implore you to take your own advice. You're the only one throwing around the verbal abuse buddy.

edit

Adding to my response to the second quote, perhaps I should make part of it bold and bigger so it doesn't get glossed over this time. I also included myself in that ignorance in the context of what I was talking about.
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I'll loosely throw the phrase out there "ignorance is bliss". I'm not calling Chrome users bluntly ignorant, but sometimes you don't know you want or need something until you've used it. I was that way with many of the things I mentioned and more until I used them and they worked their way into my browsing habits.

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Ouch....

My work PC which is a Core i5 750 and 8GB RAM.


lol my nexus 7 scores half that
 
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You choose to not comment on how I mentioned the Chrome script blocking extensions group many temporarily allowed scripts under the main website URL, making it impossible to revoke only certain temporary permissions. You have to revoke them all then reblock the ones you wanted to be kept block. This is not a preference. This is a deficiency in the extension. Do not mistake my listing certain preferences of mine as meaning that everything I said was just a preference.

The functionality can be done, but you do not like how it is done. Preference.
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LastPass includes multifactor authentication, with Yubikey support, OTPs (One Time Passwords) (these are useful in a host of situations), full gambit browser support on both desktops and mobile devices, meaning you aren't stuck using a single browser on any platform, among other things. All of this is on their site. Guess you didn't look hard enough.

https://lastpass.com/features_free.php
Besides cross-browser, which is irrelevant when talking only about Chrome, I see nothing Chrome does not do. I'll write it up as LastPass not being good at explaining things.
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How can you know if you want or need something if you've never used it or heard of it? That very idea implies ignorance. The problem is people throw the word ignorance around too much in a hateful ways these days, so you react defensively. If you have never used or heard of something, you are inherently ignorant of it. Pretty simple concept.
You seem to have a bad case of selective reading all around. I implore you to take your own advice. You're the only one throwing around the verbal abuse buddy.

Where did I say I have never heard of it? I said I do not see a point and as such don't use it, thus do not have experience using it. This is very different than being ignorant of the entire topic at hand, as you implied.

In this scenario, you directly applied the term "Ignorance is bliss" to my not wanting to use NoScript. This is a miscommunication on both our parts as you didn't mean it that way (or so I am understanding it), and your assumption that I did not know NoScript at all. To explain the rest, you came off as a "high and mighty don't tell me I'm wrong you idiot" preacher, who didn't even recognize that the majority of mine were in fact agreeing with you. Especially with this line:
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So you basically don't have an answer to any of them from what I read.


If you are not actively searching for something, then it is obviously not a need. It does not become need until you have come to the point that you can not work without it. I do not want NoScript, thus, having not put time into it, it is not something I need. You like to throw around terms like Need and Functionality a lot when it really is just Want and Preference.

EDIT: and as a quick tip, if you know something is going to be taken offensively, regardless of your intent, maybe you should find a different word. "Don't know what you're missing until you've tried it" would have done just as well as "Ignorance is bliss", without the reaction you knew you were going to get.
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I only get 10,000 odd with the latest chrome frown.gif

Probably my crap cpu?
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The functionality can be done, but you do not like how it is done. Preference.
https://lastpass.com/features_free.php
Besides cross-browser, which is irrelevant when talking only about Chrome, I see nothing Chrome does not do. I'll write it up as LastPass not being good at explaining things.
Where did I say I have never heard of it? I said I do not see a point and as such don't use it, thus do not have experience using it. This is very different than being ignorant of the entire topic at hand, as you implied.
In this scenario, you directly applied the term "Ignorance is bliss" to my not wanting to use NoScript. This is a miscommunication on both our parts as you didn't mean it that way (or so I am understanding it), and your assumption that I did not know NoScript at all. To explain the rest, you came off as a "high and mighty don't tell me I'm wrong you idiot" preacher, who didn't even recognize that the majority of mine were in fact agreeing with you. Especially with this line:
If you are not actively searching for something, then it is obviously not a need. It does not become need until you have come to the point that you can not work without it. I do not want NoScript, thus, having not put time into it, it is not something I need. You like to throw around terms like Need and Functionality a lot when it really is just Want and Preference.
EDIT: and as a quick tip, if you know something is going to be taken offensively, regardless of your intent, maybe you should find a different word. "Don't know what you're missing until you've tried it" would have done just as well as "Ignorance is bliss", without the reaction you knew you were going to get.
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The functionality can be done, but you do not like how it is done. Preference.
https://lastpass.com/features_free.php
Besides cross-browser, which is irrelevant when talking only about Chrome, I see nothing Chrome does not do. I'll write it up as LastPass not being good at explaining things.

That link clearly goes to what their free version offers. "features_free"

Arguing the rest will just become convoluted with semantics and nothing will come of it. Good day.
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Asus VG236HE XArmor U9BL-S Enermax Galaxy Evo 1250W Corsair 600T 
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Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
256GB Samsung 840 Pro + RAID1 2TB 7200 Hitachis LG 6X Blu-ray Burner Corsair H100i Windows 7 x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Asus VG236HE XArmor U9BL-S Enermax Galaxy Evo 1250W Corsair 600T 
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