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That must be a coincidence. I m pretty sure that your radiator is oxidized inside the chambers.
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Once corrosion starts the inhibitors will only slow it down.

Is there a way to check a MORA3 rad for oxidation? The inlet and outlet parts of the copper tubes are clear though...
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Only 4? biggrin.gif Man you must really have some love for silver.

Well, this comes directly from Mayhems. They recommend 2 silver kill coils per ltr, so actually i am one sort wink.gif
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Well, i am very disapointed by this i must admit! But what worries me more is the galvanic corrosion and oxidation! I used 2.5 ltrs Mayhems Ultra Pure water with 4 kill coils.
As i asked before... You believe that using mayhems x1 liquid will prevent further development of current situation of cpu blck and fliwmeter and also will it protect the new silver shiny bitspwer fittings and komodo nickel blocks i want to add from becoming corroded by the already corroded components in the same loop?


Fwiw, people who used coolant with Koolance blocks did not suffer from the missing plating on the cooling fins. After all we've witnessed with the ek fiasco and koolance issues, I would definitely recommend anti-corrosives in the loop.
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Fwiw, people who used coolant with Koolance blocks did not suffer from the missing plating on the cooling fins. After all we've witnessed with the ek fiasco and koolance issues, I would definitely recommend anti-corrosives in the loop.

Thanks, I really appreciate your reply... I just contacted Mayhems (Mick is really helpful!) to arrange to send me 6 ltrs of Mayhems X1. I hope this will do the job properly by stoping current corrosion development, plus not allowing the new components i will add in my loop eg 2x Komodos 7970 blocks and many Bitspower Silver Shiny fittings and rotaries to get "contaminated" by other components oxidation.

I also hope that Mayhems X1 will be compatible (chemistry wise) with my 10m of spare Primochill tubes i have... since from what Mayhems says, the pastel version is not!
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There is only a incompatible issue with primochill on Mayhems Pastel as there is a chemical reaction between the Nano particles and the tubing (this is mentioned in our support thread here . X1 and Aurora do not have the same issue as they do not use the shame Nano particles in there make up.
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It would seem to me that this is galvanic corrosion, and nothing else, yes? I mean, we are talking about a copper/brass/nickel/Aluminum(?) loop, not to mention silver, correct? I don't know anything about the fluids you have used, but it is my guess that your water became acidic (ph probably around 6) which accelerated the issue. With copper+nickel there is no question as to if it will corrode, only when. This can be slowed down via corrosion inhibitors, to the point that the parts will be far too old to be useful before anything happens, but it can also begin immediately upon entering use.
While EK has had the most public issues with nickel, I will never buy a nickel block over a copper one from any manufacturer. All it takes is one slip-up and poof, the plating goes from pretty to ugly, and a couple hundred bucks gets lost.

I am sorry for your problems, it really sucks. Perhaps ethylene glycol could slow it down?
   
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It would seem to me that this is galvanic corrosion, and nothing else, yes? I mean, we are talking about a copper/brass/nickel/Aluminum(?) loop, not to mention silver, correct? I don't know anything about the fluids you have used, but it is my guess that your water became acidic (ph probably around 6) which accelerated the issue. With copper+nickel there is no question as to if it will corrode, only when. This can be slowed down via corrosion inhibitors, to the point that the parts will be far too old to be useful before anything happens, but it can also begin immediately upon entering use.
While EK has had the most public issues with nickel, I will never buy a nickel block over a copper one from any manufacturer. All it takes is one slip-up and poof, the plating goes from pretty to ugly, and a couple hundred bucks gets lost.
I am sorry for your problems, it really sucks. Perhaps ethylene glycol could slow it down?


Nothing actually gets lost, just the plating. Easy with the drama.
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Nothing actually gets lost, just the plating.

And even that one evaporates over the radiator and stuck on the ceiling, finishing a nice sparkly touch for all the little pony friends.biggrin.gif
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There is only a incompatible issue with primochill on Mayhems Pastel as there is a chemical reaction between the Nano particles and the tubing (this is mentioned in our support thread here . X1 and Aurora do not have the same issue as they do not use the shame Nano particles in there make up.

That's Great! Order in progress thumb.gif

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It would seem to me that this is galvanic corrosion, and nothing else, yes? I mean, we are talking about a copper/brass/nickel/Aluminum(?) loop, not to mention silver, correct? I don't know anything about the fluids you have used, but it is my guess that your water became acidic (ph probably around 6) which accelerated the issue. With copper+nickel there is no question as to if it will corrode, only when. This can be slowed down via corrosion inhibitors, to the point that the parts will be far too old to be useful before anything happens, but it can also begin immediately upon entering use.
While EK has had the most public issues with nickel, I will never buy a nickel block over a copper one from any manufacturer. All it takes is one slip-up and poof, the plating goes from pretty to ugly, and a couple hundred bucks gets lost.
I am sorry for your problems, it really sucks. Perhaps ethylene glycol could slow it down?

Actually I use no Aluminum, but silver kill coils plus the flow-meter that must be made from steel. Liquids impedance is negligible, pH is 7ish (pH colored indicator goes from 6.8 to 7.2), BUT there is a distinctive ("penetrating" if i could say) smell coming out of the used Ultra Pure H20 water.

Its my first attempt on watercooling and after a loooong research I did many months ago, i found countless recommendations to stick to Distilled with silver kill coils and nothing else. Obviously with all these metals and even with the purity, balanced pH and very low impedance of Mayhems Ultra Pure H2O, a corrosion inhibitor is still necessary... That's why I proceed with Mayhems X1 Clear solution! smile.gif

The only thing i really dont know is, how to inspect and clean the monster MORA 3 9x140 radiator! I suspect that the bluish green color of the powder coating in my tubes (that seems white but when you scrub it, it leaves bluish green leftovers on the q-tip) could be out of the rad... on the other hand it could just be the placticiser color Primochill uses... Dont know...

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Nothing actually gets lost, just the plating. Easy with the drama.

I really wish you are right on this smile.gif I have spent quite a lot of money on this and it never ends redface.gif You cannot imagine how many times i remember Levesque's phrase, when i asked him what is required to start watercooling... He said: "Well, you need time, patience and money"
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And even that one evaporates over the radiator and stuck on the ceiling, finishing a nice sparkly touch for all the little pony friends.biggrin.gif

I like your sense of humor tongue.gif ... sometimes its necessary to sit back relax and enjoy the mess in front of you !
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