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wow so many choices XD
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I'd go with xd's suggestion for the a8 + a55 chipset combo. Unless the sata 3 (ssd territory) and usb 3.0 are neccesary, then get the a75 chipset, but I doubt its useful enough to trade it for graphics performance from the a8 to a6 igpu.
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Build 1) This is what I recommend, firstly, this build will be good if your friend can save $50 extra and also have a spare hard drive that he can use because it doesn't include a hard drive. He can also upgrade the hard drive later.

Motherboard: ASRock H61M/U3S3 LGA 1155 Intel - $59.99

CPU: Intel Core i3-2120 Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz - $124.99

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) - $49.99

PSU: CORSAIR Builder Series CX500 - $59.99

Case: COOLER MASTER Elite 430 - $48.99

GPU: EVGAGeForce GTX 560 SE (Fermi) 1GB 192-bit - $129.99

TOTAL: $474

Note: Extra $50-$75 Needed, also a hard drive.

Build 2) If your friend can't get access to the extra money and spare hard drive, and he's going with the flat out $425, then here's what I came up with for light gaming.

Motherboard: ASRock H61M/U3S3 LGA 1155 Intel - $59.99

CPU: Intel Pentium G630 Sandy Bridge 2.7GHz LGA 1155 - $67.99

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) - $49.99

PSU: CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 - $44.99

Case: COOLER MASTER Elite 430 - $48.99

GPU: EVGA GeForce GT 430 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit - $59.99

HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 7200 RPM - $69.99

TOTAL: $402

Honestly, this is overall a good PC; however, it is weak for anything at mid-rage to high end gaming. He'd be able to play older games fine, like TF2, Counter Strike, etc, but games like Crysis would show how weak the graphics card and CPU is for gaming. As you can see the hard drive took away a big chunk of change, so if your friend can work his way around that and save a few extra bucks, then he'd pull together a nice mid range gaming PC. Although this build is week, I really think you should consider the case, it's strong, stylish, and keep things cool.
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The GPU performance given by a Llano A8 APU and 6670 is about equivalent to an HD 7770

Crossfire doesn't always scale, and the best case scenario for the APU+6670 even with 1866 RAM speed is effectively a 6670+50% performance. It's a nice little boost, but it's not the "near double" performance we get from x-firing a pair of discrete cards. (well... it is closer to "double" when the APU is paired with a weaker card, but that's just a weaker result all around, irrelevant anyway).

A 7770 routinely benches between 50-100% faster than a GDDR5 6670. In otherwords, a 7770 on it's worst day, is as fast as the APU+6670 on it's best day assuming equal CPU power. When we factor in games that won't scale, or scale poorly, along with the relatively poor gaming performance of the shrunk athlon II architecture in CPU intensive games (strategy), it is very hard for me to muster up any good reason to recommend an APU gaming rig. The APU is a FAR BETTER solution when used on it's own (no crossfire), as part of a general productivity machine that benefits from having a bit more GPU umph for creation apps or light gaming and such. The sweet spot for these APUs is NOT in dedicated gaming rigs (even though AMD would like to try to make the world believe that it is).


My suggestion is as follows:

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116399
These Sandy bridge pentiums have proven to be very effective budget gaming CPUs, and have been beating out equal priced AMD offerings for gaming performance/value since their launch. More importantly, starting with a low end 1155 chip, puts in place KNOWN GOOD upgrade paths. The logical step would be to drop an Ivy bridge i5 on at a later date, an enormous leap in gaming performance. There is no upgrade path for FM1 that would afford this large of an improvement.

GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161402
Better performance than the APU hybrid x-fire solutions with no dependency on fancy fast system memory to keep up. More importantly, better future performance scaling options. Just drop in another 7770 and go x-fire to nearly double FPS across the board. This is a much better looking upgrade path than a llano build approach.

MOBO/RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1038670
B75 chipset micro board with crossfire support. Ready to drop in another 7770 and an i5 down the road. (just don't use it to OC a CPU, it'll run an Ivy i5 at stock speeds just fine though, and if you've been following the benchmarks, an ivy i5 at stock speeds, is faster in gaming than any AMD CPU at any practical overclock). For a budget board, this is actually a pretty well done unit. The 4xRAM slots might be useful long term if the machine is used for many years and needs an upgrade in that department later (unlikely, but it's nice to have the option without having to toss out perfectly good memory). The 1333 speed is of the RAM included here is actually faster than the little G620 will support anyway, just happens to be the cheapest way to get a 2x4GB kit into the build on the egg that I can come up with.

Case/PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1046101
Kinda neat looking micro case should complement this micro build pretty nicely. More than enough PSU to power the system upgraded to an i5 and dual 7770. (combined TDP of 240W, the rest of the system rarely ever exceeds 50W, in this case it would be less). The only part here that scares me is whether there is enough room at the bottom of the case for a GPU to actually fit in the other PCIE slot.... It would have to be one of the 7770's with the single slot mount width (like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131477 ) I think the dual slot width on the cooler would just fit down in there but I could be wrong so I'll admit this is a gamble for getting into this more compact but nice looking case.

HD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769
These are nothing fancy on performance, but the blues are sort of the industry standard for reliability, price, warranty. nothing wrong with using this drive, however, if you can find a cheaper 500GB drive elsewhere, go for it.

ODD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204
place-holder ODD, prices change daily, go with the cheaper option.

That's ~$460 shipped. Slightly over budget, but the extra ~$40 over the budget of other build ideas builds a machine with a lot more potential out of the gate, and a lot more potential down the road. If you can find better deals on the ODD and HD elsewhere the gap will tighten.


People get all upset around here when we post better intel builds for gaming in the AMD forum, unfortunately, I can not offer an AMD build that comes even remotely close to the expandability, or initial gaming performance of the machine above. The issue is that, in order to build an AMD rig with room to grow, the motherboard has to be more expensive to support the much higher power requirements. The LOW END AMD CPU options that make sense for a gaming build, all use more power than an i5 ivy. With a slightly higher budget, I believe I could put together a respectable AMD gaming rig based around either a 4100 or Rana X3 on a respectable board with room to grow.

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CPU: Pentium g630 ($68) http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1029184
Motherboard: Asrock H61 U3S3 ($50) (link in combo above)
GPU: MSI 7770 ($132 - $15 rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127687
RAM: Kingston 2x4gb 1333mhz ($40) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139075
Case: Bit Fenix Merc Beta ($30) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63257&vpn=BFC%2DMRC%2D100%2DKKX2%2DRP&manufacture=BitFenix&promoid=1371
PSU: Antec Basiq 450w ($30) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=62331&vpn=VP450&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1371
DVD-burner ($13) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60857&vpn=GH24NS70&manufacture=LG%20Electronics&promoid=1371
Hard Drive: Barracuda 500gb ($63) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63468&vpn=ST500DM002&manufacture=Seagate&promoid=1043
The 1TB version is $78, the 2TB version is $100 if you think you'll need more space.
Total (tower only, shipping included): $426, $411 AMIR
Now if you also need mouse, keyboard, and that sort of thing, then you start to really hurt on budget. That would change a lot.

I didnt read any of the other pages, but a 7770 will be better than a A8+6670 xfire, so i would go with this build or similar. wink.gif
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^ In the end it's up to the OP. But I think my build, as one that is smaller-sized (which you can't do with a 7770 build) and does not exceed the budget (EDIT: referring to mdocod's here) is the favorable choice today.
Edited by xd_1771 - 8/24/12 at 4:16pm
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^ In the end it's up to the OP. But I think my build, as one that is smaller-sized (which you can't do with a 7770 build) and does not exceed the budget, is the favorable choice today.

But in reality that is just a performance loss and money spent/lost towards SFF. not really worth it unless it's a HTPC.
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^ In the end it's up to the OP. But I think my build, as one that is smaller-sized (which you can't do with a 7770 build) and does not exceed the budget, is the favorable choice today.

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In all honesty, you could buy him some second hand parts for that. My PC has a nearly 5 year old Radeon HD 3870 on it, and a 2.2GHz dual core CPU, and it can max Crysis at 1024 x 768, and it cost me a grand total of £133/$210, but if you want something modern, I'd suggest an MATX board, as follows:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138345

I can't give advice for CPUs really, but I'd suggest an Athlon II X4, as they're pretty cheap to pick up now.

And maybe as a GPU, one of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129210

I own one, it runs everything at 1024 x 768, and it's not stressing it whatsoever. I know it's old but seriously, you don't need much to run games at 1024 x 768
 
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you don't need much to run games at 1024 x 768

And that affirms my idea of balance.

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