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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811103045

I bought one for my brother's new build even though he's not watercooling because it seemed like a good, cheap case and didn't come with any extra fluff that I didn't need or want. After building his computer, I really like the look of the case and it seems quite spacious on the inside. But, even though this case says it supports watercooling, would some veteran watercoolers be able to verify just how well (or bad) this case would work for a relatively basic WC setup?

For reference, my loop will likely consist of a pump, radiator, resevoir, cpu block, and gpu block (gtx 680).

Also, if anyone has recommendations of good WC components, I'd like to hear them. What is a good website from which to buy? Newegg didn't seem to have a lot of components -- I didn't even see pumps for sale on their site.

My preferred budget is around $300 - $400. I wouldn't like to spend a lot more than that. Is it possible to have a quality WC loop for this much money?
Edited by lukeman3000 - 8/22/12 at 5:44pm
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With that case, pick up a Raystorm RS240 from FrozenCPU. Has everything you need for that case. However I don't recommend watercooling both the CPU and GPU with only an RS240 radiator, there's just too much heat. You'd have to do CPU only. The case you picked out simply doesn't have enough room for more than the RS240. If you're truly looking to do some serious watercooling, buy a full tower, you'll be happy you did.

My question is if you've got so much money for hardware and waterblocks (680, the block for it, etc...), why are you skimping on the case?

I was in the same boat as you. Didn't even have my mid-tower for more than a month before I switched to a full tower.
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there is very little room up top for a radiator+fans, unless you gonna go put either fans or radiator outside the case but I doubt it can fit a radiator+fan up top w/o hitting your memory module. and since you got CPU and GPU to cool atleast a 360 or 240+120 radiator (the least) is what you need, you can always put a 240 radiator and mount it up front just mod it so you can mount it where the drive cage is and a 120 rad at back exhaust and that should do it, or get two 240 rad and a 120 rad, this will require you to do a bit more modding in the case (cutting holes for the barbs/tubing to go inside) mount the extra 240 rad up top outside the case, get a radiator grill to cover it up then mount the fans from inside, and of course 120 rad on back exhaust and the other is up front where the drive rack/cage is at, or you can put the 120 rad at the bottom so running 3 rads would go Pump+res combo> Top rad>CPU>GPU>bottom rad>Front rad > Res+pump combo


doing this would really look good for such a small case, I suggest to use smaller size tubing so it would be easier to route and bend around (just avoid 1/2 x 3/4 tubing, anything under that size should make it easier, you can use 1/2 x 3/4 size but it would be more of a challenge to route such a thick tubing around a small case).

and skip RS kit, go for the EX kit for better radiator performance. EX240 kit with the black 5.25" bay reservoir.. another question is are you gonna use your optical drive more than once (more than just installing OS?) if you're just gonna use it for installing OS then don't even bother putting it in the system, after installing OS and every driver that comes from a CD is installed just pull it out and put it away somewhere and just plug it back in whenever you need to install something.

that gives you one more bay slot for a little fan controller. since all the good fans for rads are tend to be loud at max speed you gonna want a fan controller.
Edited by Sazz - 8/22/12 at 6:47pm
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Interesting.. I have an Antec 620 on one of my GTX 470s (which gets up to 100C on air) and the Antec keeps it around 50-60C under full load in furmark.

The Antec radiator is only 120mm and so is the fan -- in other words, I have a hard time believing that a 240mm radiator and two 120mm fans could not handle the heat produced from a GTX 680 and an Intel i5 3570K. Are you guys sure that such a radiator would not be able to handle these two components?

Check this out. Click on "Reviews" and read the last one on the page. The review I'm talking about says this:

"Got two ultra low rpm fans on this rad cooling my Qx9770 @ 4ghz. I get around 32c idle and it never goes over 65c on load for an hour. (also cooling two gtx 260s) Great buy! "

This is a review of the Black Ice GT Stealth 240mm radiator.

I'm not pretending to be an expert by any means -- I'm not! That's why I'm seeking advice. I just want to make sure that something like this wouldn't work, because it seems like it would. If not, why wouldn't it?

And to Webster -- I'm not meaning to "skimp" on the case. I actually like the aesthetics of that Xclio and it's only $35 bucks. The build quality seems pretty good. And I don't have a ton of money laying around. In order to build this new pc, I have to sell my electric guitar, amp, current computer, and possibly my acoustic guitar as well (never play them)!

So yes, it's a lot of money, but I'm having to sell some things in order to get that money. Saving money is still important to me even on such an expensive build. If this case would work, why spend more? If not, I'm open to suggestions and wouldn't necessarily mind saving up a little more for something that would better suit my needs.
Edited by lukeman3000 - 8/22/12 at 7:03pm
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well normally 120mm radiator per block, if you overclock that increases the need to dissipate the heat. so 240mm would do the job add another 120 or 240 would get you the best thermal performance out of the loop. for me I always tryna aim for the best performance I can get out of the loop. so yeah a 240 would do the job fine but might as well go full on since your going watercooling anyways and spending the money =P
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well normally 120mm radiator per block, if you overclock that increases the need to dissipate the heat. so 240mm would do the job add another 120 or 240 would get you the best thermal performance out of the loop. for me I always tryna aim for the best performance I can get out of the loop. so yeah a 240 would do the job fine but might as well go full on since your going watercooling anyways and spending the money =P

That makes sense.

I just opened up my brother's computer (he's got that Xclio case) and examined the space between the top of the case and the mobo, and it does look like it would be hard fitting a radiator and a fan in there. Mounting the rad on top and the fans inside is an option (or vice-versa, but I'm sure pushing is better), but I don't really want to do that for aesthetic reasons.

So I guess I need to start looking for a slightly taller case. I think that the makers of Xclio knew that this might be an issue because they provided two relatively large holes in the back of the case which I assume are to be used for tubing. I would prefer to keep the components internal, though.

Any case suggestions? I'm looking for a relatively streamlined case but with a good, slick/professional look. I don't care for LEDs and whatnot, in fact I don't want them. I like my computer dark at night.

Also, as far as radiators go, if I opt for a thicker radiator, do I need more than one?
Edited by lukeman3000 - 8/22/12 at 7:22pm
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NZXT Switch 810 if it's available
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Any case suggestions? I'm looking for a relatively streamlined case but with a good, slick/professional look. I don't care for LEDs and whatnot, in fact I don't want them. I like my computer dark at night.
Also, as far as radiators go, if I opt for a thicker radiator, do I need more than one?

What is your case budget?

And for radiators, depends. If you do a thicker 240, you may be able to roll by with just one (RX240, GTX240, etc).
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For my case budget, I'd like to keep it around $100, but again, I'm open to suggestions.

I was looking at this case, but I'm not sure how well it'd support a WC build.

I was hoping to get a triple 120mm or 140mm radiator, but I guess that with that cooler master, I could do a dual 120 or 140 on top, and another 120 in the back. Would there be enough space to put a 240 or 280 rad and fans in the top? Also, I was looking at this radiator.

But as far as a dual rad on top, isn't that bad? I thought the reservoir was supposed to be at the top of the loop..
Edited by lukeman3000 - 8/22/12 at 7:50pm
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The 690 would only fit a 240 radiator in the top. Let me do some case reasearch for you and I'll get back to you on what would work good for a 360 radiator on the top.

To be honest, with radiators, go with the Black Ice GTX series. Although the SR1 is "low flow optimized", just get some higher static pressure fans, push/pull, and you're good to go. What fans are you going to be running on these rads? I have a Black ICe GTX360 and GTX240 in my loop, they're the best radiators I've ever owned and they are sexy...I mean sexy.

EDIT: I suppose the 690 could work. If you're looking to fit 360mm worth of radiator space, go with a 240 on top and a 120 on the back. If you are going for a sleek look, the Bitfenix Shinobi could work too.
Edited by WebsterXC - 8/22/12 at 7:52pm
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