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I normally don't answer logistics questions, but *snip*
That's the best explanation I've heard for why hardware costs more in Europe.
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Removable motherboard trays are neat, but they add a lot of cost to the design. The motherboard tray is an important structural element for rigidity. Making it removable means you have to add a lot more structure inside the case, and replace the stiffness the MBD tray adds with braces and brackets. It adds a lot of cost to the design, and to be honest, when putting a case together, can add MORE time to the build.
If you spend a lot of time on cable routing and such, a removable motherboard tray is a huge pain. Especially when putting cables through the motherboard tray's rubber grommets.
I realize that there are fans of the removable tray still, and that's cool, but my goal is to design the case so it's easy to work in, with room for cable routing and all that stuff.

You definately have a point. I've never actually had a case with a removeable MB tray, so that wouldn't be the deciding factor, frankly, as I said in my previous post, Corsair's quality will more than likely make up my mind. The 800D was the case I wanted when I first saw it, but it didn't have enough features that I wanted to justfy the price. In comes the 900D will nearly all the features I want, and with a price that puts the competition to shame. I mean when you look at this vs a TJ11, pretty similar features (at least for what I need), but the 900D will be $300 less. Yeah, the more I talk about it, the more I'm sold on the 900D



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I normally don't answer logistics questions, but we don't ship from Asia to the US to Europe. We usually have containers full of cases leave the docks in Asia and go either to the US or to Europe directly. In many cases we don't even hit our own hubs, we just ship the container direct to Newegg or something. The fewer "touches", the more economical the shipping technique.
EDIT - some more info.
As for EU/UK pricing, that would depend heavily on where you buy from. This gets a bit logistics heavy, but let's say you have a case that fits 500 units in a container.
That container ships to the following ports from Asia at these (made up) prices:
US - Los Angeles - $3000
US - Miami - $4000
US - New Jersey - $4500
UK - London - $4500
EU - France - $4500
EU - Norway - $5000
Now the per-unit shipping cost adder is different per region. In the the US - Los Angeles costs are $6 per unit, and the EU - Norway costs are $10 per unit. Not to mention that VAT in Europe is close to 20% in some regions. In the US, most of the big case sellers (Amazon, Newegg, Microcenter) can buy direct from us, since they can take containers. Only smaller resellers go through distributors. In Europe, it's very different.
There's no "Newegg" for all of Europe. In Germany Caseking and Alternate might be the big accounts, but there are dozens of smaller guys. In the UK you have Scan and OCUK, but you also have a few smaller guys. France, Spain, Italy, Greece, Hungary, Switzerland, Denmark - all these countries have one or two "big" resellers and then a bunch of smaller ones. And in some countries a "big" reseller is only a fraction of what, say, Newegg can sell to the US.
Newegg serves the US which is 300 million people plus, whereas, say, Sweden is about 10-15 million people I think.
What this means is that a lot of Europe is run through distribution. You have large distributors that buy the full container, and then they distribute smaller amounts to the reseller.
So Distributor X buys the container of 500 units, stores it in their warehouse. Then they sell 50 units to Reseller Z in Germany, and they charge fee for shipping/handling and a little for profit. They sell 70 units to Reseller Y in Germany, and 110 units to Reseller W in Austria. Each guy gets a slightly different price based on his shipping cost from the distributor and their programs with the distributor.
Then, of course, the reseller has to make money so they markup the product so they can stay in business and turn a profit.
Now we can see why the pricing in many European countries is different than in the US. This is all changing slightly because Amazon is making a big Europe push. They're trying to bring their logistical expertise to all kinds of products in Europe and offering many regions a huge benefit. From a logistics perspective, Amazon is going to change a lot of things I think.
So this gives you an idea of why a case that costs $200 in the US can sometimes cost €200 instead of the exchange rate directly, which would make it closer to €155 or something. You have to add in the extra shipping costs, the extra handling/margin from the distributors, plus the margin from the reseller. And then on top of that, you get VAT.
In the US, at Newegg, it's fairly simple: lower shipping costs, tighter margin structure since there's no distributor, and US sales tax is state-based, and sometimes doesn't even exist. For example, I think Oregon doesn't have a sales tax, so anything they buy, that's the price. They order a $200 case on newegg, they pay $200. Where I live it's about 9%, so if I order that same $200 case, I add $18 to the top. And of course VAT is like 19% or whatever, so that would be even higher in Europe.
Hope this clears some things up.

Thx for the quick and eleborate answer. I understand now. Newegg should start a EU store. :-)

I think the 900D will be out of my price range but perhaps in a few years I'll own a flagship Corsair case.
 
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How difficult would it be to offer an alternate white version of this case?
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Any idea when this will be available? I've been looking for my atcs 840 replacement for a long time.
I'm kinda worried about holes between 5.25 bay covers and vent holes on the back of the case, It will suck so much dust from these places esp with 480 in the roof.
Maybe some king of optional accessory to completely cover the 5.25 bays? back vent holes can be taped shut.

Not if you use positive pressure, which you should in this case since every single place you could put fans is filtered, including the top. Have your fans sucking in cold filtered air from the top, have fans pulling in air from the bottom and have 1 or 2 exhaust fans and the dust will actually get blown out of all those little holes instead of getting sucked in.
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CorsairGeorge is a god amongst men.
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Love the look of this case. Im only a aircooler but i will definitely be looking at this case. My 1200 is getting boring to look at haha.
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Not if you use positive pressure, which you should in this case since every single place you could put fans is filtered, including the top. Have your fans sucking in cold filtered air from the top, have fans pulling in air from the bottom and have 1 or 2 exhaust fans and the dust will actually get blown out of all those little holes instead of getting sucked in.
Seems the case will already be + pressure in the obvious water-cooling configuration.

4 x 120mm fans filtered exhaust + 1 x 120mm non-filtered exhaust
7 x 120mm fans filtered intake
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This looks like an amazing case, and I'm planning on buying it once it reaches my country.
My mind is already racing with plans on what to do inside of it, and where to fit everything, so I have a few questions that I have not seen answered in the last few pages:

With a 360 rad in the front, how would the barbs be placed? Top or bottom? Top placement appears a bit tight from the pictures, as most rads need 1-1.5 inches for the barbs.
Can the 2 middle drive cages in the lower compartment be used with an AX1200 inside? From the Linus video I would guess yes, but it would be nice to know for sure.
The website says there are four removable dust filter, knowing that there's one on the front, and 2 on the bottom compartment, am I right in assuming that the fourth one is on the top? Because that is amazing! Most case manufacturers seem to ignore people who want to use the top as an intake for positive air pressure.
Are the tool-free 5.25 latches removable without breaking them?

A couple of wishlist items I have:
A pre drilled fill-port on the top would be awesome. A drain port on the botton wouldn't hurt either smile.gif
That the drive cages could be mounted to 120mm fans, as this would negate the choice between a rad and a drive cage.
A HDD led that isn't quite as bright as the one on the 800D/700D. I had to disconnect mine because it kept me up at night.

Props on the design! It seems to fix pretty much everything I disliked about the 700D, like that there was no places to put zip ties on the back, that the right side didn't have enough space and bulged easily with a lot of wires, and that there was a very constrictive honeycomb mesh over all of the fan placements.
To finish I would like to thank Corsair in general, and George specifically, for catering to us enthusiasts and bringing out such wonderful products! Having owned a 700D and an AX1200 for the last 2 years, I wish to use many more of your products in the future!
    
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Not if you use positive pressure, which you should in this case since every single place you could put fans is filtered, including the top. Have your fans sucking in cold filtered air from the top, have fans pulling in air from the bottom and have 1 or 2 exhaust fans and the dust will actually get blown out of all those little holes instead of getting sucked in.
This is good, thanks.
So, no news on release date?
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