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Can you honestly associate a high end build without water cooling ?
TDP is getting lower yes but water cooling is still far superior and zero fan noise.

Sure you can, but MHz for MHz and dBA for bBA, water cooling will always beat air cooling. That is just a simple fact. 3 of my computers are water cooled, 5 of them aren't. They each have their place, and for "extreme performance" AND for "extreme quietness", my water computers will always beat my air cooled ones. All my water cooled systems make noise, because they do have fans on them ... granted, none of them are as loud as my air cooled systems, because you can get away with slower (and quieter) fans on a radiator than for an air cooled system ... and the case of one of my builds, the fans, pumps, radiators, and reservoir are all external and in another room, so the "computer" part is TOTALLY silent (because all the parts that make noise are in another room). You can't really do that on an "air cooled" system.

But to be honest, who in their right mind would buy a 900D and NOT water cool it? It's not like that lower cavity that is the prime location for a 480 radiator would be all that useful for just sucking in air to get to your CPU and video card. There are much better designed (and most likely cheaper too) cases for "air only" rigs. Heck, for air only, my old ABS Canyon 965 is a sweet case for that. It is built like a tank, is the same "you can have it in any color as long as it's black" case that the 900D will be, and by all looks, smaller too.

Depending on the price, a Switch 810 with a Dwood custom pedestal will most likely still be cheaper than the 900D, and as a Dwood owner, I can testify that you can easily put 2 480 radiators down below (Monsta 480's or RX480's), an RX360 on the roof, and an RX240 in the main bay ... all in push pull (except for the 2 Monsta 480 config, which would be 2 Monsta 480s and 12 fans in a "sandwich"). That is an INSANE amount of radiator capacity, all for $285 ($170 for the Switch, and $115 for the pedestal).

I'm not knocking the Corsair 900D. I like the looks of it. I originally wanted to get one, and who knows, maybe one day I will. But there are plenty of other cases out there that can old a ton of radiators (either "factory" or "artisan custom") that are just as expensive (or possibly cheaper). But of all the comments made on this thread, the ones I have to chuckle at the most (and I'm not saying you said it, because you didn't) are the ones that even hint at people who would buy the 900D are non-water coolers. The 900D is for people who water cool. Anyone else who would use it for just an air cooled rig, may as well save their money and buy an 800D (or any of 20 dozen other cases out there), and PayPal me the difference between that an the 900D.
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Zero fan noise?
What about the fans on the radiators themselves?
Come on, my friend... liquid cooling can be a plus, but with some attention paid to design one can build a very quiet air-cooled PC.
Proper airflow management and low-RPM fans can make all the difference in the world.
Today's non-reference GPU coolers can also be very quiet, yet keep the GPU noticeably cooler - note the MSI GeForce GTX 680 Lightning, or the ASUS GTX 680 DC II.
Use a Noctua NH-D14 or the like for your CPU. Perhaps some sound-deadening panel lining and fan isolators.
The new AX(i)-Series Corsair PSUs don't even spin their fans until a fair amount of load is built up.
IMHO you can indeed build a true high end build without liquid-cooling. The desired end result is reliable performance, not just to show off fancy colored loops & reservoirs.
This is not to detract from the various well-engineered liquid-cooled builds out there, but an added benefit to air-cooling is the time saved on maintenance.
There's plenty of room in the modding world for both types!
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For me i just cant associate the 2.

That Notctua air cooler is hideous and all gpu fan speeds will have to be cranked up with today's games.Even with custom profiles and esp with sli you just can't escape the heat so unless your wearing headphones during gaming you will hear the fans.

The maintenance involved with WC is overrated and in reality you only need to drain your loop once a year.

All the fans i have in my case spin below 1500rpm so besides a slight hum from the pump its dead silent.

This is all just my opinion though from what i have experienced.
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Sure you can, but MHz for MHz and dBA for bBA, water cooling will always beat air cooling. That is just a simple fact. 3 of my computers are water cooled, 5 of them aren't. They each have their place, and for "extreme performance" AND for "extreme quietness", my water computers will always beat my air cooled ones. All my water cooled systems make noise, because they do have fans on them ... granted, none of them are as loud as my air cooled systems, because you can get away with slower (and quieter) fans on a radiator than for an air cooled system ... and the case of one of my builds, the fans, pumps, radiators, and reservoir are all external and in another room, so the "computer" part is TOTALLY silent (because all the parts that make noise are in another room). You can't really do that on an "air cooled" system.
But to be honest, who in their right mind would buy a 900D and NOT water cool it? It's not like that lower cavity that is the prime location for a 480 radiator would be all that useful for just sucking in air to get to your CPU and video card. There are much better designed (and most likely cheaper too) cases for "air only" rigs. Heck, for air only, my old ABS Canyon 965 is a sweet case for that. It is built like a tank, is the same "you can have it in any color as long as it's black" case that the 900D will be, and by all looks, smaller too.
Depending on the price, a Switch 810 with a Dwood custom pedestal will most likely still be cheaper than the 900D, and as a Dwood owner, I can testify that you can easily put 2 480 radiators down below (Monsta 480's or RX480's), an RX360 on the roof, and an RX240 in the main bay ... all in push pull (except for the 2 Monsta 480 config, which would be 2 Monsta 480s and 12 fans in a "sandwich"). That is an INSANE amount of radiator capacity, all for $285 ($170 for the Switch, and $115 for the pedestal).
I'm not knocking the Corsair 900D. I like the looks of it. I originally wanted to get one, and who knows, maybe one day I will. But there are plenty of other cases out there that can old a ton of radiators (either "factory" or "artisan custom") that are just as expensive (or possibly cheaper). But of all the comments made on this thread, the ones I have to chuckle at the most (and I'm not saying you said it, because you didn't) are the ones that even hint at people who would buy the 900D are non-water coolers. The 900D is for people who water cool. Anyone else who would use it for just an air cooled rig, may as well save their money and buy an 800D (or any of 20 dozen other cases out there), and PayPal me the difference between that an the 900D.

Well said.
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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post


Sure you can, but MHz for MHz and dBA for bBA, water cooling will always beat air cooling. That is just a simple fact. 3 of my computers are water cooled, 5 of them aren't. They each have their place, and for "extreme performance" AND for "extreme quietness", my water computers will always beat my air cooled ones. All my water cooled systems make noise, because they do have fans on them ... granted, none of them are as loud as my air cooled systems, because you can get away with slower (and quieter) fans on a radiator than for an air cooled system ... and the case of one of my builds, the fans, pumps, radiators, and reservoir are all external and in another room, so the "computer" part is TOTALLY silent (because all the parts that make noise are in another room). You can't really do that on an "air cooled" system.
But to be honest, who in their right mind would buy a 900D and NOT water cool it? It's not like that lower cavity that is the prime location for a 480 radiator would be all that useful for just sucking in air to get to your CPU and video card. There are much better designed (and most likely cheaper too) cases for "air only" rigs. Heck, for air only, my old ABS Canyon 965 is a sweet case for that. It is built like a tank, is the same "you can have it in any color as long as it's black" case that the 900D will be, and by all looks, smaller too.
Depending on the price, a Switch 810 with a Dwood custom pedestal will most likely still be cheaper than the 900D, and as a Dwood owner, I can testify that you can easily put 2 480 radiators down below (Monsta 480's or RX480's), an RX360 on the roof, and an RX240 in the main bay ... all in push pull (except for the 2 Monsta 480 config, which would be 2 Monsta 480s and 12 fans in a "sandwich"). That is an INSANE amount of radiator capacity, all for $285 ($170 for the Switch, and $115 for the pedestal).
I'm not knocking the Corsair 900D. I like the looks of it. I originally wanted to get one, and who knows, maybe one day I will. But there are plenty of other cases out there that can old a ton of radiators (either "factory" or "artisan custom") that are just as expensive (or possibly cheaper). But of all the comments made on this thread, the ones I have to chuckle at the most (and I'm not saying you said it, because you didn't) are the ones that even hint at people who would buy the 900D are non-water coolers. The 900D is for people who water cool. Anyone else who would use it for just an air cooled rig, may as well save their money and buy an 800D (or any of 20 dozen other cases out there), and PayPal me the difference between that an the 900D.

 

 

Trust me bro there are lots of people like me bought the 800D because they simply love the case and want to FAN the hell out of it. Not everyone wants to deal with changing waterblocks everytime they change a GPU. Also in many countries removing the stock cooler will automatically void the warranty. There are so many reasons why a person will not opt for water cooling. It is also expensive as well. For me, water cooling is just installing h100 to my case and thats it. I dont want to deal with maintenance as well and there are people like me even in this enthusiast forum.

 

Now IF GPU companies come up with GPUs that come with a radiator atached to it, now that would change my mind and I would grab it. Imagine a GTX 680 or a HD 7970 comes with a cooler like Accelero Hybrid.

 

But I do agree that 800D was designed with water cooling in mind. There is no denying. I have a feeling that 900D will also favor water cooling.

 

As I said above. my new midrange Corsair 500R is waaaay better than the 800D in air cooling. I am sure it will also be better than 900D as well.

 

Now what will I purchse as a full tower case with extremely good build quality and features? I really want Corsair to give me that option one day.

 

There are air cooling guys out there and will not easily switch.

 

I do agree water cooling is superior though.


Edited by iARDAs - 12/22/12 at 1:00pm
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Now IF GPU companies come up with GPUs that come with a radiator atached to it, now that would change my mind and I would grab it. Imagine a GTX 680 or a HD 7970 comes with a cooler like Accelero Hybrid.

Well, an H100 version on a GTX680 would be interesting to say the least.

But there are OCN artisans who already do "after market" mods that in effect do that ... Dwood for example ... he makes an adapter that allows you to mount Antec 620/920 and Corsair H40/H50/H70's to be mounted on nVidia 400-600 series and AMD 5000-7000 series video cards. But you are right, that has warranty issues attached with it.

Personally I would prefer to go the EVGA GTX route, and either a custom (or even a semi-custom XSPC kit) route and use their factory installed and warrantied water block already installed on the video card. Even if you don't get it done by them factory installed, EVGA doesn't void the warranty on their cards if you do it after the fact with one of their cards and one of their water blocks.

But I digress.
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Well, an H100 version on a GTX680 would be interesting to say the least.
But there are OCN artisans who already do "after market" mods that in effect do that ... Dwood for example ... he makes an adapter that allows you to mount Antec 620/920 and Corsair H40/H50/H70's to be mounted on nVidia 400-600 series and AMD 5000-7000 series video cards. But you are right, that has warranty issues attached with it.
Personally I would prefer to go the EVGA GTX route, and either a custom (or even a semi-custom XSPC kit) route and use their factory installed and warrantied water block already installed on the video card. Even if you don't get it done by them factory installed, EVGA doesn't void the warranty on their cards if you do it after the fact with one of their cards and one of their water blocks.
But I digress.

I was actually going to do that Dwood method but my warrant would be void and since I am someone that keeps his GPU for a year and than sells it, warranty is very important for me because that's what the 2nd hand market wants.

 

We don't have Evga here in Turkey. I can import but than it would be a pain in the arse to RMA it if it ever happens.

 

Suprisingly EVGA is not in many countries.

 

But again, my idea of pre installed radiator and everything on a GPU would be great and I am sure there would be lots of people purchasing it.

 

Maybe one day companies will offer us such an option in the future.

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A case that doesn't even need to be modded wink.gif
Awesome work George/Corsair!

seriously! I chopped the top on my 800D for a 480rad and the bottom for a 240rad.

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Can you honestly associate a high end build without water cooling ?
TDP is getting lower yes but water cooling is still far superior and zero fan noise.

High-end PC building has nothing to do with the type of cooling. Watercooling is a luxury not a nesscessity.
I can't see how adding up to $500 in WC parts to squeeze out a few more MHz defines the difference between mid-range and high-end.

The core parts is what matters. I've seen people watercool junk parts.
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Originally Posted by stratosrally View Post

Zero fan noise?
Today's non-reference GPU coolers can also be very quiet, yet keep the GPU noticeably cooler - note the MSI GeForce GTX 680 Lightning, or the ASUS GTX 680 DC II.
Use a Noctua NH-D14 or the like for your CPU. Perhaps some sound-deadening panel lining and fan isolators.
The new AX(i)-Series Corsair PSUs don't even spin their fans until a fair amount of load is built up.
IMHO you can indeed build a true high end build without liquid-cooling. The desired end result is reliable performance, not just to show off fancy colored loops & reservoirs.
This is not to detract from the various well-engineered liquid-cooled builds out there, but an added benefit to air-cooling is the time saved on maintenance.
There's plenty of room in the modding world for both types!
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Well said. The days of hot running PC parts with poor stock cooling are long gone.
Hot now is 70C with a heavy OC, hot then was 95C out of the box.
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yeah, but watercooling looks sweeeeet
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For those concerned with aircooling, the case has comes with three 120mm fans mounted in front. That aluminum fascia is "floating", like a speaker grill over a high-end speaker. The surround area around that is about an inch on each side, and almost two inches from the front fans, which gives them plenty of room to intake cool air, and the front aluminum fascia comes off easily to change the front dust filter or access the three 120mm fans in front.

Pre-drilled for radiator, of course.
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