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Poll Results: Which brand is best for gaming laptops in terms of build quality

Poll expired: Aug 28, 2012  
  • 17% (3)
    MSI
  • 35% (6)
    Asus
  • 23% (4)
    Lenovo
  • 23% (4)
    Other (please say which brand)
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post #1 of 22
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I'm good with your standard laptop brands and that who's who of an array of them. But when it comes to the gaming laptops, aside from Alienware and Sager, I really don't have any idea of who makes the best quality of laptop.

I've been looking around and of the laptops that meet what I want, I see MSI, Asus, and Lenovo. MSI and Asus, to me, are both solid brands in desktop hardware but i have no knowledge of their laptops aside from first generation netbooks. Lenovo bought IBM's laptop division, have they maintained the same rock solid build quality of the old IBM R & T Series Thinkpads or has it gone downhill? I've also read a lot of hit or miss reviews of the G55VW & G75VW lines from Asus. The MSI GT60 series I havent seen much bad about. So my question is, who builds the best quality laptop and supports it? AND is it enough of a quality difference to pay a price differential?

Please answer the poll as well, and if you select other please say which brand.
post #2 of 22
Alienware hands down.

There's hardly any other manufacturer that can match them for build quality. However, Clevo comes in at a close second followed by Asus and MSI. All of which could be better or worse than each other at any point in time. Lenovo doesn't match the quality of the others at the moment as far as a "gaming laptop" goes, but they're definitely the best for the money you pay.

As far as the best deal... under $1K it's Lenovo hands down. between $1K and $2K it's a tossup between Asus, MSI, Clevo, and Alienware. Clevo tends to do better in the long run, but Alienware has a better warranty than any of them AND has the best cooling system for any laptop out there.
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^Meh.. tough call on Alienware. They offer a 4-year warranty, yes, but their 3-year accidental is $370, vs. $150 for Lenovo's 3-year accidental. Tough to justify it on a cost basis, especially since an Alienware with a 660M costs $1500 as it is. Anyway, good build plus terrible support is useless. I'm sure you've seen all the complaints about Asus support.. no thanks, I'd rather have a laptop that breaks every year and gets fixed the next day, than one that might break in 2 years under warranty, but takes months and hours of phone calls to fix.


Best support, Lenovo hands down. Quick personal story, I had an Ideapad whose battery died, called Lenovo, they sent out a new battery via Fedex 2-day the next morning, and a prepaid shipping label for me to return the dead battery. Not really a huge deal, but OEM batteries are in the $80 range so it's not pocket change either. Only took 30 minutes of troubleshooting and phone time.

Asus support seems to be a joke, just look at recent threads (some guy has been having issues with an Asus G-series for 6 months, no resolution from Asus..). Also, consider the warranty options. Lenovo will sell a 3-year warranty + accidental coverage for $150. I haven't seen a cheaper 3-year accidental plan, either they like to throw away money (doubtful- they're the 2nd largest PC maker in the world, and profits and revenue continue to grow) or they think/know their laptops are built better, and more reliable than the competition.

But to be clear, the Ideapad line isn't as durable as the Thinkpad line. Not that they're flimsy, they're just not built from carbon fiber and magnesium (but then again, hardly any laptops are).

As for build quality, the Lenovo Y580 actually has decent GPU temps during Furmark (nowhere near 95C) - 75C max temp, vs. 79-82C max for the Asus G55. So it has sufficient cooling... and it weighs just 6 pounds, vs. 8.4 pounds for the G55. If you ask me, better cooling, clean aesthetics, and lower weight say a lot for build quality. Now, if you're abusive to your laptop, *maybe* the G55 will take a beating better, but I'd expect either to survive a few falls from a table. http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?17184-Serious-Matter-G55vw-heat-COMPARED-TO-lenovo-y580.

If you can deal with the performance of a 660M, I'd go with a Y580. Otherwise, get an MSi or Sager/Clevo if you want something with better graphics. Support for an MSi or Sager/Clevo will be the same, if you buy it from a reseller like Malibal or Xoticpc (the reseller handles all the warranty issues).
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Alienware hands down.
There's hardly any other manufacturer that can match them for build quality. However, Clevo comes in at a close second followed by Asus and MSI. All of which could be better or worse than each other at any point in time. Lenovo doesn't match the quality of the others at the moment as far as a "gaming laptop" goes, but they're definitely the best for the money you pay.
As far as the best deal... under $1K it's Lenovo hands down. between $1K and $2K it's a tossup between Asus, MSI, Clevo, and Alienware. Clevo tends to do better in the long run, but Alienware has a better warranty than any of them AND has the best cooling system for any laptop out there.

When it comes to Alienware, as a division of Dell, they have my support completely. My big issue with them is price though. I'm looking to get a PC under $1500, preferably in the 1250-1350 range that has a 1080P screen and a GTX 6xxM card so I can run games at as high of settings as possible at 1080p. The issue that that causes though is that I cant get a PC from them to fit that bill. The M14x is just a little too small and the M17x starts at the top of my range and without the screen that Im looking for :S Thats why I was looking at the MSI, Asus, Lenovo machines to see what I could get and if it would work.

I did though take a look at XoticPC at the Clevo based PCs and I think I could probably squeeze one of those in to my price range.

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^Meh.. tough call on Alienware. They offer a 4-year warranty, yes, but their 3-year accidental is $370, vs. $150 for Lenovo's 3-year accidental. Tough to justify it on a cost basis, especially since an Alienware with a 660M costs $1500 as it is. Anyway, good build plus terrible support is useless. I'm sure you've seen all the complaints about Asus support.. no thanks, I'd rather have a laptop that breaks every year and gets fixed the next day, than one that might break in 2 years under warranty, but takes months and hours of phone calls to fix.
Best support, Lenovo hands down. Quick personal story, I had an Ideapad whose battery died, called Lenovo, they sent out a new battery via Fedex 2-day the next morning, and a prepaid shipping label for me to return the dead battery. Not really a huge deal, but OEM batteries are in the $80 range so it's not pocket change either. Only took 30 minutes of troubleshooting and phone time.
Asus support seems to be a joke, just look at recent threads (some guy has been having issues with an Asus G-series for 6 months, no resolution from Asus..). Also, consider the warranty options. Lenovo will sell a 3-year warranty + accidental coverage for $150. I haven't seen a cheaper 3-year accidental plan, either they like to throw away money (doubtful- they're the 2nd largest PC maker in the world, and profits and revenue continue to grow) or they think/know their laptops are built better, and more reliable than the competition.
But to be clear, the Ideapad line isn't as durable as the Thinkpad line. Not that they're flimsy, they're just not built from carbon fiber and magnesium (but then again, hardly any laptops are).
As for build quality, the Lenovo Y580 actually has decent GPU temps during Furmark (nowhere near 95C) - 75C max temp, vs. 79-82C max for the Asus G55. So it has sufficient cooling... and it weighs just 6 pounds, vs. 8.4 pounds for the G55. If you ask me, better cooling, clean aesthetics, and lower weight say a lot for build quality. Now, if you're abusive to your laptop, *maybe* the G55 will take a beating better, but I'd expect either to survive a few falls from a table. http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?17184-Serious-Matter-G55vw-heat-COMPARED-TO-lenovo-y580.
If you can deal with the performance of a 660M, I'd go with a Y580. Otherwise, get an MSi or Sager/Clevo if you want something with better graphics. Support for an MSi or Sager/Clevo will be the same, if you buy it from a reseller like Malibal or Xoticpc (the reseller handles all the warranty issues).

Thanks for that information. What you're saying is a lot like what I'm hearing when it comes to Asus. I have an older EeePC and its a trooper, but I called them about it once and it took 2 hours to get nowhere so since it wasn't a big deal I just hung up. But now that I'm getting a much better product than a cheap little netbook, I want a company which will support the product well for me. And seeing what you've said and everything else I've read, I'm not sure Asus is the way to go frown.gif

The info on Lenovo is quite telling actually. I had my worries about them since they bought off the laptop division of IBM I wasn't sure what had changed if anything. I must say I'm glad to hear it doesn't seem much has. You mention the GTX 660m in a light that appears it doesn't perform well? Is it that much of an underperformer?
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660M is solid for 1080p gaming on a lot of games, but you might have to lower the settings or resolution for games like BF3. At the price, obvious choice, is pick it over a 670m since it uses much less power and can overclock close to it. Only major step up is a 7970m or 680m, both perform around 6970 level at stock, 50% + faster than a 660m. Sager NP 9150 with a 7970m is just under 1500 - blows away the 670m and 675m so I couldn't recommend paying much over 1200 for either of those.

But basically it comes down to what games and at what settings you want to play. You can check gaming benchmarks for mobile GPUs at
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I don't really think Ill be playing BF3 or MW3 or any true FPS like those on the laptop, just not real conducive without a large flat surface like the desk my desktop is at tongue.gif Yet the headroom provided by one of those cards would also be nice to have....

In looking at XoticPC there are a few things i am curious about and Im not real sure if i should make a new thread or just research it lol. But primarily its with how big a difference the IC5 makes over whatever stock they use (Shin-Etsu?), the copper cooling upgrade, is the 95% NTSC LCD Panel an IPS, and is the Killer WLAN really worth it? Ill look into it, but if anyone knows feel free to answer too smile.gif
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Intel wifi all the way. The Intel 6200 series is pretty nice.

95% color gamut is TN, but typically has better viewing angle, color accuracy, and brightness compared to the standard 15" 1080p panel. It's our worth the 15 0, perhaps. I'd personally go with a glossy screen, it'll look much better as long as you don't use it outside (indoor glare isn't so bad, and typically avoidable). Matte screens occasionally have a grainy look.

IC Diamond or whatever thermal paste well probably cut a couple degrees off the temps, not really a big deal. No clue on copper cooling upgrade, I thought copper heatsinks were standard on most any laptop
 
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No clue on copper cooling upgrade, I thought copper heatsinks were standard on most any laptop

The "upgrade" is basically these being applied to it's original heatpipes.

Edit: Here's how it looks: http://xoticpcforums.com/showthread.php?14499-Copper-Cooling-Upgrade&p=88041#post88041
For $79 though, I would rather save my money and install them myself TBH. http://www.amazon.com/Cosmos-Copper-Cooling-Heatsinks-cooler/dp/B00637X42A
Edited by qwan456 - 8/24/12 at 12:35pm
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Intel wifi all the way. The Intel 6200 series is pretty nice.
95% color gamut is TN, but typically has better viewing angle, color accuracy, and brightness compared to the standard 15" 1080p panel. It's our worth the 15 0, perhaps. I'd personally go with a glossy screen, it'll look much better as long as you don't use it outside (indoor glare isn't so bad, and typically avoidable). Matte screens occasionally have a grainy look.
IC Diamond or whatever thermal paste well probably cut a couple degrees off the temps, not really a big deal. No clue on copper cooling upgrade, I thought copper heatsinks were standard on most any laptop

I was able to find this review of the Killer. Apparently all Qualcomm did (they bought Bigfoot Networks) was revise a current Atheros card. They did file transfers, Ping, and UDP testing, but no game testing nor draw any real conclusions...

I had hoped it was an IPS Panel on the 95% but couldn't find anything one way or another, thank you smile.gif

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The "upgrade" is basically these being applied to it's original heatpipes.

Thanks, I had been looking around and found the same question on the XoticPC forums here where they show what they do. Below is the image from XoticPC but I wasnt able to find any numbers on what it does.

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Shameless bumping since I'm out all day today
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